Life In 19x19

I tried to look up a young Romanian DDK player that didn't use rating resets (special promotions) to compare the old with the new rating history. This may be an example that meets your criteria: https://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=18437639, but I still fail to see that the ...

I don't understand why you see these two as good examples of rank progression with the new system. Ilja started as 4k and went to 262 tournaments. Artem had a special promotion to 6k very early in his career and went to almost 200 tournaments. It's obvious that when you start around 5k and go to ...

This is my new EGD profile: https://www.europeangodatabase.eu/EGD/Player_Card.php?&key=14537380

The fact that tournaments make you go up or down much less than before makes it that for look like for 8 years I've been fairly stable 1k and next 6 years pretty much stable 1d. That is simply not true ...

Yes, for sure more overrated players than sandbaggers. Specially since AI became widely available cheating with it became a huge issue. Not just on KGS of course, people are largely underestimating how serious this is in all online games. KGS is dealing with this and it will be kept under control ...

Trust me, as a KGS admin for almost 20 years I've seen how much some players are willing to do just to increase in rank. From all kinds of dishonest stuff to things like specifically choosing their opponents based on profiles that they think give then better chance of winning. I'm not saying that ...

some countries have quite conservative policies in this regard and don't allow it, even for low rated players, effectively forcing those players to sandbag until the rating system catches up.
This is a very good reason to not make it even harder for those players by lowering the rating gains.

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I've noticed an important change, points gain/loss seem to be much lower than before. For example some years ago I had a nice tournament where i gained 109 points rising from 2k to 1k. But in the new system I only gained 59 points.

It was mentioned before in this thread that on average a player ...

The OP of that other thread seems to have abandoned it.
I didn't abandon it, just had nothing to add to the latest posts.
Another thing, we here are not policy makers for go servers or go associations (are we?). So any agreement or disagreement you find here is not going to have much effect on ...

As I mentioned before I think an error rate of 1 in 100 is achievable. And anything worse than 1 in 10 is an obvious failure of the investigator.

I'm not comfortable with "punishments" since there will always be some error. The point is not to punish someone but to protect the community. For ...

There are many openly AI enhanced players on KGS now, I haven't noticed anyone removing their rank. So I am not sure that you are right about that.
Have you reported them? I removed myself the rank of someone who was an openly AI enhanced player. If you wish you can send me a PM with their ...

I just checked the KGS TOS at http://gokgs.com/tos.jsp. Although it says "Dishonest play during rated games." is not allowed, it says nothing specifically against using bots, just prohibits "Having other people play rated games for you".
Using an AI as a human player in rated games does qualify as ...

Knotwilg wrote:Suppose more people can do it, what does that prove? That this forum has good insight in what bots play?

It proves how one can get to 10.000 posts while knowing he does not know while others not knowing he knows that.

I'm sorry if I've been a bit blunt about it. But this belongs to another thread. Posting 12 messages with diagrams and then maybe getting responses to them really disrupts the main discussion.

Bill Spight wrote:What the hell do you think I am doing here?

I'd guess you're the only one who knows that. Perhaps proving why Reddit replaced traditional forums.

Which is the point of this thread.
The point of this thread is to hopefully make people realize that AI cheating in online is already a very real problem and it gets worse every day. And that action is very much needed but right now very little is done. We really need automated detection but I ...