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to reach the best defintion, you have only to change the wording of you naive defintion, without introducing explicitly values you have to calculate.

What is your related suggestion of some, IYO, possibly better definition modifying my naive one?
OK with my method the defintion look like the ...

Is this a definition just for me or do you suggest it to be easily understood by all players?
Basically it was an answer for you.
It is OC also for all go players knowing how to play a game in a rich environment.
For the other players I can OC replace the rich environment by an ideal environment ...

to reach the best defintion, you have only to change the wording of you naive defintion, without introducing explicitly values you have to calculate.

What is your related suggestion of some, IYO, possibly better definition modifying my naive one?
OK with my method the defintion look like the ...

If you need first a calculation to DEFINE if a position is sente or not

No.

The definition is general for a class of positions. For a particular position, the definition is APPLIED by determining the values.

Look to your naive definition:
"one player has a sente sequence and the opponent has a ...

Of course.
That is the point Robert. If you need first a calculation to DEFINE if a position is sente or not, then providing the position is quite difficult, you simply cannot DEFINE what means the "position is sente" because the needed calculation may be too complex.

Take my other example where ...

The reason why my methods of classifying positions or move decisions are comparatively simple is: they are about calculating a value or comparing two values. Even if application must be interative because variations are, at every step, one compares values. Algebra beyond that occurs in the proofs ...

you are confusing [...]
If in your method the defintion is also the proof

LOL, no.
Good news Rboert.

With algebra for every go player?! You need to hide solving systems of equations when selling it as easy for every go player!
Seeing that without knowing it, you pretended that my defintion ...

everything becomes far easier indeed.

With algebra for every go player?! You need to hide solving systems of equations when selling it as easy for every go player!
No Robert you are confusing the defintion of "sente position", which could be quite simple, with the "proof" that a given position ...

It is, however, the most complicated that might be immediately understandable by any go player:) I think if you try to define a "sente position" without taking into account an environment, then this defintion as a good chance to be complicated and more or less unanderstandable for go players. That ...

There has also been my naive definition (uh, even in writing): one player has a sente sequence and the opponent has a gote sequence. Might be good enough for some players but when Bill pointed out its informality, I dug deeper.
I agree with you Robert this naive defintion is not satisfactory : in ...

Thermography, which uses thermographs algebraically or graphically, is powerful and I do not want to discourage you from enhancing it. However, it is inapplicable by players in practice. For application to a typical example, I need hours. General principals for fast application to whole classes of ...

What about the following definition using thermography: a double sente position is a position for which a part of the mast is purple.
With this definition it does not remain a lot of positions does it?

This is a good candidate for a definition in thermography. (However, why at all? Why not just ...

BTW a sente position can be simply a position for which a part of the mast is colored, without being a double sente position.

"Double sente" is a concept which exists in the go language for a very long time.

And as such often is a local gote, misleading everybody by the name "double sente" and by pretending bad values to be move values with the fake information on when to play in them. The centuries(?) of wrong teaching ...

Do you mean precision for the defintion itself or precision for the various evalutions (counts or move values)?

Conceptual precision. When we have said something for a specific kind of, in this case, double sente, namely for local double sente (its non-existence!), then it is impolite to speak ...