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Post #1 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:41 am 
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Anybody interested in dropping ‪acid‬ and then playing ‪Go‬? The ‪setting‬ may be a little awkward, though ;-)

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The Beckley Foundation is looking for participants in their “Psychedelics & Creativity Research”:
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For the original PDF see http://www.beckleyfoundation.org/wp-con ... /10/GO.pdf.

I might actually contact them, but I guess the travel from Germany to the UK may be more than I’d want to do.

Via this Reddit post … of which I was notified by this share by OGS on FB.

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Post #2 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:00 am 
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I have no "prior experience" so I guess I don't satisfy their requirements. I'm down the road (rail-road, that is - I'm in Woking) and don't mind being a lab-rat.

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Post #3 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:47 am 
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I have a little experience playing tournament bridge when stoned on marijuana. Before one session I smoked a whole joint of Panama Red, which was considered strong stuff in those days. When I got to the playing area I was unsure whether I would be able to play, I was so zonked. On the first hand I discovered that I was able to follow suit, so I figured that I could get through the session. On the second hand I was declarer in a slightly difficult hand. I found that visualization had become almost effortless. End result: a score of 206 matchpoints when average was 156, which is quite a good single session score. (For those unfamiliar with tournament bridge, I once tied for 4th and 5th in a large tournament with back to back session scores of 195 and 194.5.)

Another low level pro told me that once when she was stoned on grass at a tournament she had to excuse herself from the table. She went to the ladies' room and asked herself, "What am I doing with my life? Why am I playing this silly game?"

In college I cajoled a friend into playing go stoned on grass. (We were both 4 kyu.) But instead of playing, he just wanted to arrange the stones into interesting patterns. Like a huge White arrow. ;)

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Post #4 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:29 am 
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I have some experience playing Go stoned … I wonder how it would be to play it sober :roll:

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:30 am 
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Fascinating.

Why Go, I wonder? I would have thought they would have had an easier time looking for participants in other, similar activities.

I've contacted them, anyway (it's unlikely I will be able to participate, but I am qualified and have even been a lab-rat in related research many years ago). I will report back.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:09 am 
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If it weren’t in the UK, and if such a journey weren’t impossible for me as it currently is, I would IMMEDIATELY apply for participation. (I meet all the requirements, though “mental health” would probably be disputed controversially :twisted: )

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 1:22 pm 
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Hmm there must be a couple of academics in the forum. Perhaps we should put a grant app in for our own study? All in the interest of science you understand :study: I'll volunteer for modafinil (or beer)

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Post #8 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:13 pm 
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My recreational drug use is daily coffee and roughly a beer a week, but I've read fascinating things about research into how hallucinogens might promote creativity. If I weren't so risk averse, I'd probably be tempted.

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Post #9 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:30 pm 
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I would be more interested if they were looking to test the effect of high quality wines on the ability to play go. Although I could tell them the answer without them going to the trouble.

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Post #10 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 6:46 pm 
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With my luck I'd be in the placebo group.


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Post #11 Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:38 pm 
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Post #12 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:32 am 
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Hmmmm.... I thought this study was being done some time ago....

I did have some experience with a substance that isn't usually considered hallucinogenic, but does have some hallucinogenic properties if ingested. Or maybe I just thought it did. (Being asthmatic and a non-smoker, I was reluctant to smoke it.)

It smacked me flat on my back, but suddenly I realised I could follow each instrument in some classical music that was playing in the background when before there was just a blur of sounds (nice sounds, but indistinguishable), and some of that effect still remains, although without the visuals. So I suspect that LSD might be totally useless for actually playing at the time, but I do wonder whether it would have some effects that would remain longterm.

Nope... not thinking of volunteering.

Or maybe...?

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Post #13 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:38 am 
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Hmmmm.... I thought this study was being done some time ago....

I did have some experience with a substance that isn't usually considered hallucinogenic, but does have some hallucinogenic properties if ingested. Or maybe I just thought it did. (Being asthmatic and a non-smoker, I was reluctant to smoke it.)

It smacked me flat on my back, but suddenly I realised I could follow each instrument in some classical music that was playing in the background when before there was just a blur of sounds (nice sounds, but indistinguishable), and some of that effect still remains, although without the visuals. So I suspect that LSD might be totally useless for actually playing at the time, but I do wonder whether it would have some effects that would remain longterm.

Nope... not thinking of volunteering.

Or maybe...?


I've often suspected that a mild to moderate hallucinogen might help a great deal in learning go, as you might find it a lot easier to see the connectedness of moves and the flow of the game, as well as visualizing and reading more easily. Never tested it out though, and I'm reluctant to for a variety of reasons.

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Post #14 Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:03 am 
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Bonobo wrote:
I have some experience playing Go stoned


Seems to be more beneficial than my single malt Scotch and rye whiskey experiments then, from our current game :lol:

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Post #15 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:58 pm 
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*Sigh* Unfortunately I can't spare the time or travel costs for this, otherwise I'd love to go. I haven't had a reliable contact for acid in at least a decade.

Back when I did, playing go was an effort, but not in the normal sense. It was actually easier to play in some ways ( flow and direction took on a life of their own: sentient clouds flowing and rolling across the board ).
But it was difficult to have to continually remind oneself that there was a game to be played, when every object in the room might have cosmic significance that would for a few minutes outweight the importance of the game.


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Post #16 Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:38 am 
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Having tried the 2 separately (but not together) I'd say that Joaz's description sounds about like what I'd expect for a mid-level dosage. Your focus would increase, but you'd need to remember to keep that focus on the game and not everything else.

A very patient opponent would be a nice add as well...

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Post #17 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:46 pm 
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I tend to play for hours whenever merryjuana is involved :salute:

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Post #18 Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 6:33 pm 
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I will send this a some friends.

I got one friend (6 dan) that he said me "you dont be a shoudan if you dont smoke 'mota' (marijuana)". I didnt it and I am kyu yet... if this experiment show scientifically some good relantionship, I will pose the saying of my friend :lol:

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Post #19 Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:05 pm 
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Man I wish I could make it. Downside, Cali is too far away from the experiment. Upside, Cali is not too far away from Cali Bud.

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Post #20 Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 5:01 am 
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If they keep doing this kind of research regularly, surely it would help increase the popularity of go?

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