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Post #1 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:13 am 
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I think we need a new universal name for it. It would be much more convenient to say the name of the game to someone and they immediately know what it is, instead of inevitably having to explain that it's "a board game like chess".

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:56 am 
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Post #3 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:37 am 
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Yes, it's confusing, but it has too much inertia to change. Mr Ing with his millions couldn't persuade people to call it Goe even though he gave them lots of free equipment, sponsored tournaments etc. If you become benevolent world dictator, this could be one of your policies.


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Post #4 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:51 am 
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Igo (EE-GO) is another name. :)

I kind of like the glass bead game myself, but nobody calls it that.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:02 am 
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Baduk— I like using Japanese and Korean terms together (yose, but haengma, etc...). And say Weiqi when using area scoring. Although that might be more confusing :).

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:47 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Igo (EE-GO) is another name. :)

I kind of like the glass bead game myself, but nobody calls it that.


Das Glasperlenspiel!

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 3:04 pm 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Igo (EE-GO) is another name. :)

I kind of like the glass bead game myself, but nobody calls it that.


Amazing book, the glass bead game.

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:53 pm 
sitting in a cafe one day, playing Go, a smartly-dressed battleship strolling past paused, and asked: "what's that game?"

"Go" i replied.

She flushed right up to her well-trimmed eyebrows, and hurried off.

Sometimes a name has its benefits :mrgreen:

In Japan, if you ask someone if they play Go, they always reply: "Oh, that's an Old Man's Game!".

So, given that a good name is one that reflects its meaning, Go should be called "omg".

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Post #9 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:29 am 
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When you try to change something that is already standardized, you run into problems...


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Post #11 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:23 pm 
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EdLee wrote:

Thanks, Ed. :)

I use the Dvorak keyboard and, since I was a terrible typist to start with, a 5% improvement is something that I noticed, and was a welcome improvement. ;)

Another thing is the idea of time/motion studies being elitist. To be sure, they were, because the managers had an elitist attitude towards their workers, anyway. They still do. But sports research today shows that even skilled athletes may not know the best way to use their bodies. As for ordinary tools, ergonomics does help.

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Hi Bill,
These days I mostly one-finger tap on an iphone5 (qwerty). :mrgreen:

Are you using a physical Dvorak ? ( or a software-enabled one )

I like Go for 囲碁.




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Post #13 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:26 pm 
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wrong, wrong , wrong, wrong!

Dvorak was an idiot who didnt know what he was talking about, let alone the twonk who cant pronounce his name properly.

You only got better, Bill, because you were practising a lot more with more intent.

QWERTY doesn't just fit the keys, it fits the fingers and the patterns of letters that tend to follow each other - alternating left and right hands is easier for typists, whether on mechanical or electronic keyboards. And it fits the musculature and geometry of the human hand, which is more adept at quickly moving the first two fingers in arpeggio than the last two, which is why great guitarists and pianists are few and far between.

Thankfully, there are some good Dvoraks too


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Post #14 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 2:16 am 
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Thanks to Alphago, many people in Western countries are aware that "go" is an asian board game. If we invent another name, people would be like "what the heck are you talking about?".

The fact that "go" means something else in the English language is not a problem. After all, "bridge" also has two meanings.

The fact that "go" has other names in different countries is not a problem either. Draughts/checkers is called Dames/Dame/Dama/Damas... in other languages.

"Surrender your igo. Be free, be free to yourself."

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Post #15 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 6:56 am 
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kj01a wrote:
When you try to change something that is already standardized, you run into problems...


A two squared here :).

Some are better than others; standardising all units to the speed of light, is likely the best way to correlate with other sentients in the galaxy.

jlt wrote:
Thanks to Alphago, many people in Western countries are aware that "go" is an asian board game. If we invent another name, people would be like "what the heck are you talking about?".

The fact that "go" means something else in the English language is not a problem. After all, "bridge" also has two meanings.

The fact that "go" has other names in different countries is not a problem either. Draughts/checkers is called Dames/Dame/Dama/Damas... in other languages.

"Surrender your igo. Be free, be free to yourself."


Yes, it seems better to just introduce 'baduk' for practical purposes and then also mention it's called Go. Unless someone comes up with an epic new name :).

Two complementary systems; I sometimes think of go (and chess) having the equivalent to imperial,
used by those playing the game (material advantage, elo, normal distribution) and metric easily understood by those not so familiar (logistic distribution like in mamu)

Goe seems just okay to me (but ING rules are in que to study for a dual rulesets idea :).)

In this case, Korea has already introduced haengma, and most of the go world outside of Asia are more familiar with territory scoring and bi-convex stones than the alternatives used most China, so it might make sense to use Korean in tandem with Japanese.

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. . .

"Go" i replied.

. . .omg


Haha

Place and put this. . . A Single-convex shaped spaceship sends down method of communication throughout the galaxy. A Chinese Emporer uses it to make his son smarter.

The Universal game.

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Post #16 Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 1:59 pm 
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Place and put this. . .The Universal game.
too easy - The Universal Game, a Way to Acquire New Knowledge

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Post #17 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:22 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Igo (EE-GO) is another name. :)

I kind of like the glass bead game myself, but nobody calls it that.


Similar perhaps are shiny pebbles that could pass as large single-convex stones. . .

It would be convenient if it could be made into one word—speculotechnica is a bit of a mouthful :).

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