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Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:58 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Forum Double Digit Kyu Tourney
I AM IN!

I have to confess though that I am even more a beginner at the KGS system than at Go. I have never play 9x9 against a human - just against igowin.

How do I communicate with another player to set up a game time?

All I ever do in KGS is push the automatch button. I have not figured out the "room" business at all. So I need a little coaching, too, on what buttons to push to get a game going with the specific parameters - who am I playing against, board size, etc. I have seen that "custom game" button... all the details must be down in those menus someplace!

I bet I will learn a lot!
Author:  Stefany93 [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:25 am ]
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Make a tournament on 19x91, 9x9 is for kids.
Author:  Chew Terr [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:27 am ]
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Stefany93 wrote:
Make a tournament on 19x91, 9x9 is for kids.


19x91? Clearly, square boards are also out of fashion. =D
Author:  Li Kao [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:59 am ]
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In the Rooms menu join the room called godiscussions.com which is listed as "Club" room.
Author:  SinK [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:27 pm ]
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Current Players:

SinK
noodley
kiethlard
TominNJ
kukula

Now that everyone will be playing 4 matches each so the deadline for your four games is extended to Sunday the 21st. This Sunday I'll put up a status report and send out messages to each player chasing up the games he has left to play. Whatever time that goes up tourney entry will close and no new players may enter.

Do join. If you are worried you're not experienced enough then you are exactly the kind of player this tourney is for. Come on in the water's lovely. :)
Author:  TominNJ [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 3:55 pm ]
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Quick question.

I haven't paid for the KGS plus. Is that something I'd have to do to be able to play on the small board?
Author:  Redundant [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:01 pm ]
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TominNJ wrote:
Quick question.

I haven't paid for the KGS plus. Is that something I'd have to do to be able to play on the small board?


Nope. KGS plus is just for lectures and some tournaments.
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Forum Double Digit Kyu Tourney
I'm new to KGS - even more of a beginner than I am at Go!

If I want to play a game with a specific person... how do I do that?

I tried hitting the Custom Game button and I see the slot for the opponent, but how do I get a name into that?
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:13 pm ]
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And I don't seem to be able to adjust the Komi either. It is stuck at 6.5 - dim letters & can't get the cursor into that space.

Thanks!
Author:  Redundant [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:24 pm ]
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You can put up the game offer, and then your opponent challenges you from the listing in the room where the game is. The komi can be set once the challenge is given.
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:39 pm ]
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I just set up a new temporary room, L19 beginners tourney

ah, and got in one match!
Author:  oren [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:46 pm ]
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kukula wrote:
I just set up a new temporary room, L19 beginners tourney

ah, and got in one match!


Come over to the godiscussions.com room and play there. A lot of us are there to help.
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:16 pm ]
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If I issue a challenge, is there anyway to specify my opponent, or can anybody take up the challenge?
Author:  xed_over [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:37 pm ]
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kukula wrote:
If I issue a challenge, is there anyway to specify my opponent, or can anybody take up the challenge?

anyone can take it up, but you don't have to accept from anybody. if more than one person tries to join your game, you can choose from the drop down list which player to accept

you can also write the player's name you want to join your game in the space at the top of the setup box as a suggestion for others to see
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:44 pm ]
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xed_over wrote:
you don't have to accept from anybody.


ah, thanks, I will be careful at the beginning of a match to look at the details in the setup box.
Author:  kukula [ Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:40 pm ]
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Not sure I understood the format for recording matches, but here is a report.

kukula vs. TominNJ

Game1: kukula(black) won by 22.5 points (the score computed was 17.5 but I had a komi of .5 instead of 5.5 so 22.5 is correct, right?)

Game2: kukula(white) won by TominNJ resigning. Maybe that 5.5 komi would have made up for the difference in territory, I don't know! You can look and see!
Author:  SinK [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:21 am ]
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kukula wrote:
Not sure I understood the format for recording matches, but here is a report.

kukula vs. TominNJ

Game1: kukula(black) won by 22.5 points (the score computed was 17.5 but I had a komi of .5 instead of 5.5 so 22.5 is correct, right?)

Game2: kukula(white) won by TominNJ resigning. Maybe that 5.5 komi would have made up for the difference in territory, I don't know! You can look and see!


For tie breaking purposes it would be good to have both players' full score. For simplicities sake write the score something like.

kukula 2-0 TominNJ
Game 1: Kukula(W) 37.5-15.0 TominNJ
Game2: TominNJ (Res)21.5-32.0 kukula
Author:  topazg [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:59 am ]
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kukula (22k, White) vs TominNJ (25k, Black)
Result: 37.5 - 15.0, White wins by 22.5 points

Review:

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[9]KM[5.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[kukula]PB[TominNJ]WR[22k]BR[25k]DT[2010-08-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[W+22.50]
;B[cc]BL[279.806]
;W[fg]WL[295.903]
;B[ed]BL[271.156]
;W[gd]WL[289.816]
;B[ef]BL[266.03]C[Playing in the middle is often worrying short of points - White's idea of working around the edge is likely to play dividends unless you have a plan to use these stones to fight hard.]
;W[eg]WL[286.695]
(;B[ff]BL[253.081]TR[df][gf]C[Generally two pairs of stones like this is bad shape, as it encourages the opponent to hane at the head at either of the triangled points, which is generally good for the player doing it. Alternatives are D3 if you can handle the cut, D4 if you can't, or something quicker, like G5 (see variations).]
;W[gf]WL[285.079]
(;B[fe]BL[250.686]TR[dg]SQ[ee]C[Empty triangles are rarely good. They don't have many liberties for 3 stones, don't really enclose territory, don't really help with fighting (except in rare situations) and are very slow from the point of development. At best you could argue this gives Black a point at the square, but compare this to playing the triangle instead...]
;W[fd]WL[263.348]
;B[ge]BL[238.226]LB[ec:3][ee:2][df:1]C[You are running out of liberties - you're ok, but don't underestimate White getting 1 and 3 in if he gets sente.]
;W[he]WL[261.616]
(;B[ec]BL[224.308]C[White has too many cutting points, especially for the 2nd and 3rd lines where cut stones cannot run (see variation instead of this move)]
;W[hg]WL[255.291]
;B[fc]BL[214.118]
;W[gc]WL[253.497]
;B[gb]BL[205.137]
;W[df]WL[246.051]C[Painful]
;B[ee]BL[191.509]
;W[cg]WL[241.308]
;B[de]BL[189.022]
;W[ce]WL[237.259]
;B[cd]BL[184.039]
;W[be]WL[234.273]
;B[bd]BL[182.491]
;W[hb]WL[232.309]
;B[fb]BL[159.891]
;W[ha]WL[221.195]
;B[ga]BL[154.903]TR[ae]C[If White plays here, you can happily block. This is gote for you - the triangle lets you get points in sente and then come back to here. You got the point in the end, but White should ignore this and play on the left edge now.]
;W[ic]WL[213.055]
;B[ae]BL[140.188]
;W[af]WL[211.439]
;B[ad]BL[138.363]
;W[bg]WL[209.776]
;B[]BL[96.255]
;W[]WL[209.776]TW[ia][ib][hc][hd][id][ie][bf][cf][hf][if][ag][dg][gg][ig][ah][bh][ch][dh][eh][fh][gh][hh][ih][ai][bi][ci][di][ei][fi][gi][hi][ii]TB[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ab][bb][cb][db][eb][ac][bc][dc][dd])
(;B[hf]
;W[gg]
;B[hd]C[White has no way of resisting.]))
(;B[dg]C[Black stakes out as much as he can.]))
(;B[dg]
;W[df]
;B[de]
;W[cf]
;B[cg]C[You can deal with this so the cut is ok to allow.])
(;B[df]C[Simple, and threatens to play D3 which is worth quite a few points as you get the corner - it's very slow though.])
(;B[ge]CR[ed][ef]C[The circled stones make a tesuji that is hard to separate.]
;W[he]
;B[gf]C[Now White has two groups to look after, and quite likely will lose his points in the lower right corner.]))[/sgf-full]

TominNJ (25k, White) vs kukula (22k, Black)
Result: Black wins by resignation
Score before resignation: 21.5 - 32.0, Black wins by 10.5 points

Review:

[sgf-full](;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[9]KM[5.50]TM[300]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
PW[TominNJ]PB[kukula]WR[25k]BR[22k]DT[2010-08-03]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]RE[B+Resign]
;B[dg]BL[296.531]
;W[cd]WL[292.027]
;B[gf]BL[288.103]
;W[ee]WL[278.182]C[Playing in the middle is not going to earn you points - either you play to cut Black in half and win a fight, or this is too slow.]
;B[gd]BL[275.787]C[Good, Black has taken an early lead.]
;W[fd]WL[271.04]
;B[ef]BL[262.809]
;W[ge]WL[263.262]
;B[he]BL[260.863]
;W[fe]WL[260.552]
;B[gc]BL[256.014]
(;W[fc]WL[258.973]C[White is being very reactive. He can push and cut through Black's weaknesses here - always look for the opportunities to call the shots in a game.]
;B[ce]BL[243.177]
;W[de]WL[249.194]
;B[cf]BL[238.979]
;W[df]WL[227.625]
;B[ff]BL[219.004]
;W[be]WL[209.312]
;B[bf]BL[215.843]
;W[bd]WL[194.821]
;B[ch]BL[204.988]
;W[af]WL[181.67]
;B[ag]BL[203.203]
;W[ae]WL[180.59]
;B[fb]BL[194.617]C[White has no time to cut at B3...]
(;W[eb]WL[137.738]
;B[gb]BL[188.939]
;W[fa]WL[130.914]
;B[bh]BL[184.834]
;W[ga]WL[68.253]
;B[ha]BL[181.798]
;W[ea]WL[65.957]
;B[ib]BL[172.165]
;W[gg]WL[41.682]
;B[hg]BL[147.046]
;W[gh]WL[30.99]
;B[fh]BL[138.265]
;W[fi]WL[21.967]
;B[hh]BL[126.541]
;W[hi]WL[4.533]
;B[ei]BL[115.119]
;W[fg]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[eh]BL[106.752]
;W[ih]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[gi]BL[92.822]
;W[ig]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[eg]BL[87.075]
;W[if]WL[30]OW[5]
;B[hf]BL[74.863]
;W[]
;B[]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ab][bb][cb][db][ac][bc][cc][dc][ec][ad][dd][ed]TB[ia][hb][hc][ic][hd][id][ie][if][bg][cg][fg][gg][ig][ah][dh][gh][ih][ai][bi][ci][di][fi][hi][ii])
(;W[bg]
;B[cg]
;W[ah]
;B[db]C[White loses more at the top than he gains in the lower left.]))
(;W[ff]
(;B[fg]
;W[hf]
;B[gg]
;W[hd])
(;B[gg]
;W[fg])))[/sgf-full]
Author:  SinK [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Forum Double Digit Kyu Tourney
Thanks Topaz. I've fixed my post.
Author:  kukula [ Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: The First Forum Double Digit Kyu Tourney
Wow, Topaz - just that review technology is very cool! But even better, your comments are very helpful. What a wonderful way to help us beginners along! Many thanks!
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