It is currently Tue Aug 22, 2017 11:17 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Realities of victory and defeat (keeping track of points)
Post #1 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:20 am 
Beginner

Posts: 8
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 2
In all levels of go play, but perhaps games in 19x19 particular, how do people keep up with the number of points held by both players during the game? Or do people just agree to stop the game before it progresses "too far" (as in, more area and captured stones to calculate than is comfortable)? In most games I have played it has been quite tedious to count the points, and this in part has kept me from playing much. Of course all these games have been played with other beginners, so that the games have probably been "uglier" and clumsier than necessary.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Realities of victory and defeat (keeping track of points
Post #2 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:30 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 199
Liked others: 6
Was liked: 55
Rank: KGS 3 kyu
You must be misunderstanding something very fundamental about the rules, because there is no need for a beginner to keep track of points during a game. As a beginner (or amateur, for that matter), you can't even do that properly anyway, even if you wanted to.

Do you know anyone near you that knows the rules of the game? It is a lot easier to be introduced to the game in person. If not, maybe you could stop by a server like KGS or OGS and ask for help? Or try asking a more specific question, maybe with an example, so that we can identify what your misunderstanding is.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Realities of victory and defeat (keeping track of points
Post #3 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 6:49 am 
Beginner

Posts: 8
Liked others: 1
Was liked: 2
When I was taught the basics years ago I don't remember discussing the scoring system in much depth. I have been under the impression that you count the territory and captured stones after both players forfeit their moves successively.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Realities of victory and defeat (keeping track of points
Post #4 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:13 am 
Dies with sente

Posts: 111
Liked others: 39
Was liked: 29
Rank: ogs 6 kyu
OGS: Wulfenia
Deglet_Nour wrote:
In all levels of go play, but perhaps games in 19x19 particular, how do people keep up with the number of points held by both players during the game?


I play on ogs and I click on "estimate score" if I want to get an estimate.

In real-life, people play until there is no contested area left and then people rearrange stones to get rectangles that are multiples of ten and thus easy to count.

I do count during the game, but my error margin is high.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Realities of victory and defeat (keeping track of points
Post #5 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:45 am 
Tengen

Posts: 4003
Location: North Carolina
Liked others: 399
Was liked: 658
Rank: AGA 3k
GD Posts: 65
OGS: Hyperpape 4k
Deglet_Nour wrote:
I have been under the impression that you count the territory and captured stones after both players forfeit their moves successively.
This is correct, so you only have to count once, after you've passed twice.

Counting the territory usually takes a minute or two at the end. Like Gotraskhalana said, it helps to move stones around to make nice shapes.

So a side that looks like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O O . . .
$$ | . O O O X O . . .
$$ | O O X X X O . . .
$$ | O X . X O . . . .
$$ | X . X X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X O . . . .
$$ | . X . X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | X X X X O . . . .
$$ | X X O O O . . . .[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$ ------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . O O O . . .
$$ | . O O O X O . . .
$$ | O O X X X O . . .
$$ | O X X X O . . . .
$$ | X X X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | . . X X O . . . .
$$ | X X O O O . . . .[/go]


As you get better at it, you can even leave out some of the edges to help make nice round shapes, but you have to remember whose territory it actually is.

There are in-depth examples at Sensei's Library: http://senseis.xmp.net/?JapaneseCountingExample.

_________________
Occupy Babel!


This post by hyperpape was liked by 2 people: Bill Spight, emeraldemon
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 5 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group