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 Post subject: Re-introduction game
Post #1 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 7:54 am 
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This is an on-going game. Probably not interesting to anyone other than the current players.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play (Captures B2 W0)
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

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Post #2 Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:52 am 
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Black L14?

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:00 am 
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I don't think so.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O 1 X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Then
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[go]$$Bc Black has 2 captures
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O a O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O 3 4 O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

And white will, eventually, have to play at a, but that can wait to respond to black playing J16 (or white J16, black K17)

While those moves don't seem to cost black anything, b/c white has to respond and they don't have any direct implications elsewhere on the board, they are needlessly giving up ko threats.

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:44 am 
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Yeah, white is alive.

At first glance, I would be tempted to play L3 :

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 1 X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


This is painful for white compared to

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Now the question is : while this seems good localy, is it the best move globaly?

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 8:39 am 
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Is this a 6-stone handycap game?

I would have played the same as Tryss, on first instinct, however it can get a bit tricky:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 5 4 6 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . 3 2 X 7 X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 1 X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


... and maybe further ...

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 X 2 . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . X O X X X 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . X X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Thus, the cut may enable white to cause some confusion and establish a group in black's moyo - I can not read all relevant variations, here.

Maybe a much simpler way (That's what I always tend to miss in a real game ...):

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 2 X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


:b1: improves the connectivity of b's lower stones and still threatens to push through at L3 in one of the next moves. When white fixes that, :b3: claims a huge territory which seems rather difficult to invade. Black also has most of top right corner and good potential at left side --> w will need doing something spectactular tu turn this.

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:59 am 
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@schawipp :

How about this answer to the :w2: cut?

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[go]$$Bc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O X X . X X X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X X X . O X O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O X X O . O O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O X X O . X O X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . O X X X O . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . O O X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X X X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . 2 X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . 1 X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]



But yeah, this area seems to be the most important on the board right now.

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:34 pm 
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5 stone handicap.

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