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Post #21 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:08 am 
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Does understanding something make it pleasurable? Forgive the analogy: I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.

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Post #22 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:33 am 
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I think that both depends on the situation and on the person in case.

- You don't need to understand a rainbow to appreciate its beauty.
- Yet the more I know about music, the more pleasurable my listening becomes, because I recognize things I otherwise wouldn't.

In Go, I guess it depends.
Total beginners can play an amazing game and enjoy it very much, I agree.

But watching a high level game and not knowing what is happening is less pleasurable (imho) than understanding something about the game.

Another comparison. I used to follow cycling a bit. It's so much fun to follow it when you know the riders racing and their backstory and what is happening in a race.
If you just watch cycling and don't have that background, it's the most boring things to watch ever :lol:

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Post #23 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:03 am 
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Kirby wrote:
Does understanding something make it pleasurable?

To me, the act of learning to understanding something is pleasurable, and particularly the transition from not understanding it to understanding it. I spend hours and hours on learning more math and physics, for example. I get the same "understanding high" from rich games like chess and go.

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Post #24 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:07 am 
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Kirby wrote:
I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.

My solution: prop a laptop nearby and watch Redmond's AlphaGo reviews whilst washing up. :)


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Post #25 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:10 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.

My solution: prop a laptop nearby and watch Redmond's AlphaGo reviews whilst washing up. :)


Are they understandable for DDK/SDK level? I might want to watch them, but not if I won't understand it :)

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Post #26 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:48 pm 
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Ian Butler wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
Kirby wrote:
I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.

My solution: prop a laptop nearby and watch Redmond's AlphaGo reviews whilst washing up. :)


Are they understandable for DDK/SDK level? I might want to watch them, but not if I won't understand it :)


Michael Redmond is a great commentator, and I'd imagine that DDKs would enjoy the discussion as well. I've been playing devil's advocate in this thread, but his reviews are definitely entertaining.

He might be my favorite English-speaking commentator.

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Post #27 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 4:35 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Does understanding something make it pleasurable? Forgive the analogy: I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.


And I understand how to vomit and I don't find it pleasurable. I really fail to see what you're trying to reach here.

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Post #28 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 5:51 pm 
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Knotwilg wrote:
Kirby wrote:
Does understanding something make it pleasurable? Forgive the analogy: I understand how to wash the dishes, but I don't get a lot of pleasure from it.


And I understand how to vomit and I don't find it pleasurable. I really fail to see what you're trying to reach here.


Simple: why do you find the Lee Sedol - Gu Li Jubango book enjoyable to read?

Sometimes I fall asleep trying to read go books. Maybe it's just a difference in preference.

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Post #29 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:30 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
My solution: prop a laptop nearby and watch Redmond's AlphaGo reviews whilst washing up. :)


I totally do that, but when I do my wife claims the dishes aren't cleaned as well.

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