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Post #1 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:28 am 
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See viewtopic.php?p=239453#p239453
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Post #2 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:46 am 
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:lol:

I'm definitely joining this thread!

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:55 am 
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Just to clarify, I meant the threads becoming obsolete, not the players :scratch:
(Note "that" vs "who")

E.g., the title of the threads "The reign of Ke Jie" and "Park Junghwan is Best" don't really make a whole lot of sense anymore. This is just to minimize the number of dead threads.

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:23 pm 
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WindCaliber wrote:
Just to clarify, I meant the threads becoming obsolete, not the players :scratch:
(Note "that" vs "who")


Right. I did not mean to misrepresent you.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:06 pm 
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I am constantly feeling like an obsolete player, can I join this club?


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Post #6 Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:11 am 
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Gu Zihao is one of the many super-strong young Chinese players to emerge in recent years, he won the Samsung cup last year and he's now #5 on goratings. He just won the 14th Weifufangkai cup (gotoeveryone calls this the Qiwang but I think it's a successor event), beating Liao Yuanhe in the final (pretty much all the big name Chinese 9ds except Ke Jie participated and got knocked out). In the semi-final Xu Jiayang tried to kill his 3-3 invasion with that 2nd line broken shape killing move loved by internet overplayers but not so often seen in pro games, and Gu found enough aji to survive here too. Maybe Gu will go onto greater things and get his own thread, but for now I'll hijack this one!

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 1:27 pm 
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Interesting question from Gu Zihao (white) vs Shi Yue, white to play.

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . B O . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O X X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . , X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O . X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 11:09 pm 
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . B O . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O X X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . 5 X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . . O 3 X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . . 2 1 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X O X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . X O . . X . X . X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . O X O X X . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . 6 O X O O . O O X . . |
$$ | . . O X . X . 5 O O X O . O O X X . . |
$$ | . O . O X . . . 3 X 1 X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #9 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:18 am 
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gamesorry, but then black o5 kills.


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Post #10 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 6:44 am 
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o5 is sente and makes miai at the bottom.
Black can Atari with an empty triangle of sorts but then white comes out with good shape. Black then connects to separate the two white stones but there is aji

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Post #11 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 2:53 pm 
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Better idea:


LZ's solution:


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Post #12 Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:27 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
gamesorry, but then black o5 kills.


Oops, didn't realize there was L&D problem for white's group ..

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Post #13 Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:21 pm 
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Lian Xiao 9p has been one of the top Chinese players (goratings #7) for a few years now and ended Chen Yaoye's many years holding the Tianyuan title. This year rising star Fan Yunruo (#12) is challenging him for the Tianyuan and won the first game. Lian needed to win the second game and did so today in spectacular style with lots of kiai and ko and trades.
https://home.yikeweiqi.com/#/live/room/17044/1/13993177

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Post #14 Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 1:56 am 
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We should have more (not less) threads to discuss these domestic events. These Tianyuan title games are extremely interesting ones. Game 3, which is still ongoing while I write this, is again a very exciting game - Lian Xiao is showing off his attacking skill in very difficult situation.

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Post #15 Posted: Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:01 pm 
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Lian Xiao managed to win the third game and thus defend his Tianyuan title. Difficult fighting, the yike bot had him far behind in middle game but he made the attacks work. I wonder what Fan's mistakes were, will investigate with Lizzie later.

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Post #16 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:03 am 
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Just to have the mentioned game right here:
(Elf Network)



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Post #17 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:08 am 
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And a question: What about :w34:, why is it an option here over O3?

Moves 148 seems to be an important moment.

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Post #18 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:04 am 
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I Think 34 is because
1) ladder is good for black and with ladder that joseki is slightly good for Black.
2) o3 would end up uncomfortable with k3. With o3 you either want to knight's move next or 2 space low extension but neither of those are efficient with k3 (knight's move not too bad but I fear j3 would then be a good move for b later).


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Post #19 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:37 am 
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Gomoto wrote:
And a question: What about :w34:, why is it an option here over O3?


Well, LZ doesn't like :w34:, giving it -5% with 14k playouts. I wonder what it would say about :w34: at O-03 with a similar number of playouts.

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Post #20 Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:50 am 
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By the way, I use LZ with an older network (maybe #197, I don't remember exactly which one), and it prefer P5 to O3.

Edit : and with the latest LZ (0.17 + #221), the top choice for :w34: become N3 after ~10k playout


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