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Post #121 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:01 am 
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Oh no! Haha, you're right! The next games are coming up soon. So who are we relying on to save us from another IchiYama match? ... It's Kyo Kagen. He's my only hope but I am not confident. Wait, if Takao beats Murakawa maybe there will be a play off for 2nd of S league. Maybe Takao is Iyama's bane!



For your/our peace of mind, Iyama lost today against Kyo Kagen.

Now we can safely say that no more IchiYama for some time :mrgreen: Perhaps in the next Honinbo, or not. But certainly not in the next Kisei match.

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Post #122 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:24 am 
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CDavis7M wrote:
Oh no! Haha, you're right! The next games are coming up soon. So who are we relying on to save us from another IchiYama match? ... It's Kyo Kagen. He's my only hope but I am not confident. Wait, if Takao beats Murakawa maybe there will be a play off for 2nd of S league. Maybe Takao is Iyama's bane!



For your/our peace of mind, Iyama lost today against Kyo Kagen.

Now we can safely say that no more IchiYama for some time :mrgreen: Perhaps in the next Honinbo, or not. But certainly not in the next Kisei match.


What!?!? Iyama lost!?!?

I guess I like Ichiriki Iyama games but I don't know how Iyama could lose to Hsu ChiaYuan . . .

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Post #123 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:25 am 
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CDavis7M wrote:
Oh no! Haha, you're right! The next games are coming up soon. So who are we relying on to save us from another IchiYama match? ... It's Kyo Kagen. He's my only hope but I am not confident. Wait, if Takao beats Murakawa maybe there will be a play off for 2nd of S league. Maybe Takao is Iyama's bane!



For your/our peace of mind, Iyama lost today against Kyo Kagen.

Now we can safely say that no more IchiYama for some time :mrgreen: Perhaps in the next Honinbo, or not. But certainly not in the next Kisei match.


What!?!? Iyama lost!?!?

I guess I like Ichiriki Iyama games but I don't know how Iyama could lose to Hsu ChiaYuan . . . How could he not make it second in the S League. I hope he's not having a slump. Or maybe Kyo Kagen played an inspired game, I'll have to check the game record and hope a stromg pro comments on it in English . . . MichAEl Redmond sensei.

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Micheal Redmond and others report

Sounds fine. Except that I think it is Michael :study:

How about "Michael Redmond and the gang!", too much? I guess.

Can the original poster edit the title if we figure a more clever title later?


Ah if I can't even spell his name I am not worthy as a follower of western pros in Asia. Alas!

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Post #124 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:43 am 
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pajaro wrote:
CDavis7M wrote:
Oh no! Haha, you're right! The next games are coming up soon. So who are we relying on to save us from another IchiYama match? ... It's Kyo Kagen. He's my only hope but I am not confident. Wait, if Takao beats Murakawa maybe there will be a play off for 2nd of S league. Maybe Takao is Iyama's bane!


For your/our peace of mind, Iyama lost today against Kyo Kagen.

Now we can safely say that no more IchiYama for some time :mrgreen: Perhaps in the next Honinbo, or not. But certainly not in the next Kisei match.


What!?!? Iyama lost!?!?


Iyama chose a taisha variation nobody would ever, ever play...

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Post #125 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 12:46 pm 
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The game was short, only 137 moves, and a big group died.

Choosing an odd variation of a joseki is enough to lose like this? The opponent must have done something right.

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Post #126 Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 1:13 pm 
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You are making me very curious. The position when I gave up on watching it last night didn't look favorable for Kyo Kagen but I can see how there was a chance of it backfiring.

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Post #127 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 12:07 pm 
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It's all coming together: we had John Fairbairn's announcement and release of his new book on Iwamoto Kaoru "The Survivors," then Iwamoto's travel to Europe came up on the AGA e-journal and here, then Michael Redmond was being discussed, and now Redmond has just released a game commentary on his special match with Iwamoto, which was mentioned in the beginning of "The Survivors." Iwamoto was already retired at this point and this was not a tournament game. However, it was a historic game in that Iwamoto was 90 years old at the time and the game used standard tournament rules.

In the video he mentioned a funny Japanese language quirk I recently learned. The word マンション ("manshon," like English "mansion") is used for condo buildings. I imagine that students who study abroad in Japan tell all their friends that they lived in a manshon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVsmOFdtGy4

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By the way, I considered whether this story at all tied together with the prostate medicine discussion but... ahh, anyway...

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Post #128 Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2022 6:30 pm 
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Wow! Did you all see Ida's white Tengen?

I'm loving this variety!

https://youtu.be/uIbzzzAZ2r4

Update: very happy to have Ida in the title match. What a fun game. Very different from the sage old AI openings we've been seeing


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Post #129 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:13 am 
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Was this the first Tengen play in the opening in Japanese title history? Surely the first White Tengen on the second move. W2 Tengen is even rare in recorded games I'm looking through. Though I can imagine Tengen being played in the first 11 moves or so. Even though Ida lost it was definitely a novel title game. I doubt he will go for it again but if all the Tengen games have tengen I won't complain.

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Post #130 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2022 12:07 pm 
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Ida said he intended to play tengen irrespective of the colour he got. He didn't say why, but observer Hane Yasumasa, who will know Ida well from the Nagoya branch of the NK, said he got the impression that Ida just wanted to enjoy himself. I suspect what that really means is Ida wanted to put on a thank-you show for his fans, because the game was played in Ise City, which is in Mie Prefecture, and Ida is from Mie Pref.

However, he did admit that Black 55 and 57 rather exposed the folly of his tengen, and Seki clearly felt a bit chuffed with those moves because he wondered what AI would make of them. Seki (who had not expected tengen) also said there were no moves he regretted, even though the game turned into an endgame battle.

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