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Post #1 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:11 am 
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I find that the Chinese have many very high quality series of videos (history, live online self reviews, weekly top 5 moments, pro game commentaries, lectures for different levels on joseki/fuseki/endgame/shape/etc) by pros available to the public (weiqitv), particularly over the past 2 years or so, but its difficult to follow if you don't understand Chinese.

I've tried to translate a 9d commentary of a game in the Chinese League A (where the "toughest" games are at)

I've added a more detailed explanation of some things they skimmed over, but have tried to avoid adding any of my own thoughts.

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:49 am 
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Thank you for your work!

An SGF file with comments is really a lot more accessible than a video, especially if the video is in Chinese, Korean or Japanese and doesn't have any subtitles.

Incidentally I've also transcribed a video yesterday evening, but that video had subtitles, which was necessary since I don't speak any Chinese.

I'm not quite sure about the copyright issues of transcribing someone's game commentary from a video, but I wouldn't mind sharing that transcription on L19.

Would you prefer if I created a new thread for this? Otherwise I could just post it as a reply to your thread; maybe it will inspire others to also transcribe video commentaries.

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:59 am 
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I don't mind. I don't know much about copyright issues, could there be a problem?

I just transcribed a much more in depth self review by a pro, posting in Iyama ... (pro section)


EDIT: I may as well add it to this thread too


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Post #4 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:12 am 
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Who was the commentator? I'm surprised L11/12 didn't get a comment as they were the weirdest moves in the game to me, the later particularly. Peeping twice where you can cut, was the idea really to attack the shape and try to kill cos that looks like pie-in-the-sky dreaming, as seen with the resign soon after. Or was it just surrounding the centre points? If he cuts white would just atari out and live and destroy the centre?

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 9:38 am 
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It was Liu XiaoGuang 9p. Actually, he said if cut then W has too many ko threats, and that the 2nd peep was pointless, should just live in the corner (an implication of hopeless anyway?).

I didn't get everything down, and I skipped that last bit as I didn't think it was too interesting (time for B to resign anyway)

and yes, I think he was trying to kill

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:04 am 
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6th LG Cup Semi-final: Cho Hun-hyeon 9d (W) vs Yi Ch'ang-ho 9d.
Commentary by Hua Yi Gang 8p.
Original SGF from the GoGoD collection.
Transcribed from a video.

The transcription is based on the subtitles; I don't speak Chinese. I've tried not to add my own thoughts but stay as faithful to the commentary as possible.

I haven't added any board marks (such as 'A', 'B' etc.) because I was using SmartGo for Mac, which automatically adds such letters for coordinates found in the comments.



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Post #7 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 10:17 am 
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Some big news as of today that weiqitv running free for 3 years is going to start charging. They've completely redeveloped their website, and said that they will start charging next month if I understood correctly.

Meng Tailing explained that its not to make money but to both sustain and build on their services. Also, he said that even he was a bit negative/passive (not sure about the word) sometimes and this would make them more responsible in the things they say. He said how the three creators (Liu Xing, him, and Zhao ShouXun) are merely go players, not skilful at making money, they have pressure not just on their energy, but on their balance books.

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Post #8 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 1:47 pm 
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does that mean no more free videos at all?

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:14 pm 
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My chinese isn't good enough to be sure. My guess is that the old videos remain free, they have a free zone, and the new ones next month probably won't be.

They have produced some more pro commentaries yesterday on the Samsung cup, a game which got Meng quite excited for quite a bit. He talks a lot, and it shows in this commentary. You hear a lot about the go world. Liao Xingwen is actually on a Guardian article, coming to London in 2000 (google his name).

Here is my translation



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Post #10 Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 8:36 pm 
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all I remember is him talking about how some of them (the pros) are protestants, others are catholic and still others are muslim lol...

I hope the da sai zhi bo will still be free to watch :S

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Post #11 Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 6:05 am 
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the next one, translated


apologies for the errors, spelling mistakes, etc


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Post #12 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 8:17 am 
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the next one along. In this one they talk a lot about how the Chinese City league works


NB there's a moment where in my opinion they misread a centre fight by 1 liberty. I show a few variations




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Post #13 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:20 pm 
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Hello dhu163 ,
Thank you very much for your work. I usually watch weiqitv's commentaries but never fully understand (i understand korean but not chinese ) .
I can't wait the next commentary ^^

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 6:43 am 
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I'm happy to hear your appreciation :).

I think those commentaries are good, but they are filled with lots of chatter, and are not so intense on the go. So I decided to translate the first of a video series that I found most useful from 5k to 1k. In particular, this first video proved to be very useful.

This is a translation Ge's online school quality lectures. This one covers a very common set of side invasion joseki that you don't easily learn about elsewhere.




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Post #15 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 1:35 pm 
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dhu163 wrote:
I'm happy to hear your appreciation :).

I think those commentaries are good, but they are filled with lots of chatter, and are not so intense on the go. So I decided to translate the first of a video series that I found most useful from 5k to 1k. In particular, this first video proved to be very useful.

This is a translation Ge's online school quality lectures. This one covers a very common set of side invasion joseki that you don't easily learn about elsewhere.




In the variation where is asks which ladders and then shows which 2 ladders you should check it says you need to have at least one which is false isn't it? You need to have both ladders to play it otherwise black plays the opposite side and now you are stuck with a fail ladder.


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Post #16 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 4:06 pm 
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yes W normally needs both ladders or else B chooses to protect the other side as you say

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Post #17 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2016 7:53 pm 
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Thank you dhu163,
Great explanation ^^ , the pro commentary is cool even if they talk a lot ^^. But i think it's longer for you hahah. Anyway i appreciate your work ^^.
Hope to see more commentaries about ke jie :)

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Post #18 Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2016 2:48 am 
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You're doing some godlike work here.

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Post #19 Posted: Sun Sep 18, 2016 2:42 am 
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this next translation is of top5 brilliant moments. It is for all levels, describing interesting games of the week



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Post #20 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 5:22 am 
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The "Memories of killing dragons in the middle game fighting" series isn't weiqitv I think but older. This is a series of 60 videos on killing big groups. It's details are for dan players, but I think kyu players can still appreciate most of the fuzzy ideas.



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