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Author:  Uberdude [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:20 am ]
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idontgetit wrote:
according to Sina, this game is tied at 53 moves for a game in an international tournament, although the other game was only a prelim game, and not in the main round. One of the guys misread a ladder and resigned.

gosensations from msoworld wrote:
Cao Dayuan 9-dan resigned after 48 moves against Takemiya Masaki 9-dan in the final of the 3rd TV Go Asia Championship on 30 August 1991. This is also the shortest international game we have.

Maybe they didn't know about this one, or discounted it being blitz.
Howevever, when I check go4go it has what I presume is that game with 129 moves! "[1991-08-30] 3rd Asian TV Cup, final Takemiya Masaki 9p (Black) vs. Cao Dayuan 9p (White) B+R (5.5 komi)": http://www.go4go.net/go/games/sgfview/7973 :scratch: :scratch:
Author:  idontgetit [ Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:10 am ]
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Yeah, I don't know what's up with that, but I don't think they count the Asian TV cup. Only the "big" international tournaments.
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue May 09, 2017 6:34 am ]
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Shenoute wrote:
trout wrote:
Japan: Ida Atzsgi, Katsuya Motoki, Yuki Satoshi

I had to check his name on Sensei's Library, turns out he was doing the count-down in the NHK cup not so long ago (and was 2-3 dan I guess). I remember seeing him playing in the said tournament a couple of months ago and wondering how he got 7-dan so quick :)


A rising star: finished top of the Honinbo league with 6-1 and started the Honinbo title match vs Iyama today.
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue May 09, 2017 6:47 am ]
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4th round was a few days ago, and 5th today. Winners in bold.

4th round:
Zhou Ruiyang vs. Shin Jiseo
Ke Jie vs. Lian Xiao
Tan Xiao vs. Li Zhe
Shi Yue vs. Peng Liyao

Li and Peng winning were both upsets, but not huge ones (#47 beats #10 and #33 beat #14 from goratings). Li is an interesting player in that he went to university as well as being a pro with a rather unconventional style (and wrote some interesting posts on AlphaGo that were translated to English). Zhou played some Master-esque moves: viewtopic.php?p=219067#p219067. Ke's play was interesting too making a giant seki.

5th round
Ke Jie vs Li Zhe
Zhou Ruiyang vs Peng Liyao
Edit: xiayun says best of 3 so above only 1st game.

We seem to have duplicate threads on this (due to character encoding problems?): viewtopic.php?p=219126#p219126
Author:  gamesorry [ Wed May 10, 2017 10:34 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
Zhou played some Master-esque moves


No wonder Zhou Ruiyang has a nickname 'Alpha Goat' (Goat = Yang in Chinese) ;-)
Author:  Uberdude [ Thu May 11, 2017 1:42 am ]
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5th round 2nd game:

Ke Jie beat Li Zhe by 2.5
Peng Liyao beat Zhou Ruiyang by resign

So Ke Jie straight through to final, Peng vs Zhou decider in a day or two.

Zhou played more Master-style moves with the avoiding avalanche joseki like vs Jiang Weijie that Redmond commented but Peng played one not 2 space high pincer when approached.

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[go]$$W Zhou Ruiyang (white) vs Peng Liyao
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$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
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$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . 2 7 1 4 X . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]
Author:  Uberdude [ Thu May 11, 2017 8:23 pm ]
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3rd game is live now with more Master style from Zhou in that he played press after low approach to 3-4 and distant pincer and then tenukid twice. One stone (:b17:) of his resulting group ended up looking misplaced though so I feel it's not so good, I wonder how Master handled similar situations. Or maybe Master wouldn't tenuki so much because white already reinforced the 4-4 behind the pincer (:w6: in 1st diagram) so counter pincer is less effective. I can't yet recall a Master game where it defended the press group following the attack at 14 from the corner (there was #33 vs Gu Li where it was attacked from outside and played push instead of dame connect).

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[go]$$Wm6 Zhou Ruiyang (black) vs Peng Liyao, ENN cup semi-final 3rd game
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 0 . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , 4 6 . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . 9 O 5 . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wm16
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
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$$ | . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 0 . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 4 5 7 9 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X 3 . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wm26
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . 7 . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 4 . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 8 9 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


The marked stone below isn't totally useless as it all but stops the peep at a which could be a nice sente for white and help his side group come out, means black can deal with the white double hane b-d, and is also a vital point for building eyes (and indeed Zhou did later allow that group to get cut off and live inside with an eye there), but I can't help feel it would be better placed at e or somewhere else.

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[go]$$W
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . d e . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . B a c b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Also the marked stone does mean black has a good answer to white cutting across the knight's move without needing to fight the ko (with 8 at a):

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[go]$$W
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 O . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 5 4 . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 X 1 6 . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wm9 (so white would connect on 2nd line at 14 rather than take for 9)
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 8 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O 4 B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 O 5 3 X . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O 7 1 X . X O O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Edit: And Zhou indeed lost, so the final is Peng Liyao 6p (goratings #30, in his first international final) against Ke Jie.

Edit 2: Analysis of the Master opening: forum/viewtopic.php?p=219218#p219218
Author:  xiayun [ Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:15 pm ]
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The best-of-5 final will start on 12/18 and then 19/21/23/24.
Author:  xiayun [ Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:52 pm ]
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Sorry for the misinformation. The final will start on 12/20.
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:53 pm ]
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Game is live now, is Ke Jie in trouble?
Author:  pookpooi [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:27 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
Game is live now, is Ke Jie in trouble?

No ;-)

The third game, and might be the final one, is this Saturday, December 23.
Author:  Uberdude [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:51 am ]
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Ke Jie won the second game as well. He took all 4 corners and then lived with a big group in the centre using some nice counterattack against the surroundings.
Author:  xiayun [ Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:44 am ]
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Peng had much better chance yesterday comparing to the first game, but didn't handle it well after white crosscut in the middle. With Ke Jie holding white in Game 3, the chance is pretty high that the final will be over tomorrow.
Author:  pookpooi [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:14 am ]
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Ouch, Ke Jie lose by 0.5 point so they have to continue game 4 on Christmas.
Author:  Uberdude [ Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:26 am ]
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Probably because that game had practically no middlegame and that's where Ke's greatest difference in strength lies. It was basically play some joseki on a side, play two 3-3 invasions, resolve a ladder, one side invasion jumps out to safety and now >200 moves of endgame.
Author:  pookpooi [ Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:06 pm ]
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4th game, I think we can conclude that Ke Jie has absolute faith in AlphaGo Master.

Update: now I have to watch tomorrow too
Author:  Uberdude [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:57 am ]
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Peng won the 4th game by half a point as well so it goes to a deciding fifth game tomorrow. Ke is white tomorrow, but could he let this title slip from his grasp?
Author:  xiayun [ Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:31 pm ]
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Ke Jie actually ended up black for the game 5 since they always re-do for the deciding game of a series.
Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:12 am ]
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Ke Jie won the final game by half a point so wins the first Shinyao/ENN cup.
Author:  pookpooi [ Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:13 am ]
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Ke Jie's strategy to play fast and use time pressure work this time
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