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Post #201 Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:44 am 
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I cheer Ke Jie but Shin Jinseo is the strongest non-9p right now, it's unthinkable that he hasn't win any international major yet. (And to think that he has to do it before his military conscription...)

I wouldn't be so surprised: there's a lot of top pros and not so many international tournaments, he's only been a super-top pro for a year or so, and with a knockout there's a lot of variance. But actually he did win the Globis cup earlier this year, though that's restricted to under 20s.


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Post #202 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:05 am 
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“I don’t want to compete with AI any more. It is really painful, but if people enjoy seeing me being tortured by AI, I will be glad to go through it again,” Ke joked in the end of his interview with Yicai Global.

The top-ranking Go player is hopeful about AI-human symbiote: “I once dreamed, if one day a super chip can dramatically increase humans’ computing capacity, I will be the first to have it implanted in my head and take my revenge on AlphaGo for what it did to me before.”

https://yicaiglobal.com/news/ke-jie-banks-‘ai-human-symbiote’-revenge-defeat-alphago

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Post #203 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:13 am 
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I read that just a little while ago. That would be interesting if we had a Ke Jie android!

On a side note, with Ke Jie's recent loss to Iyama Yuta, the gap between him and Park Junghwan on goratings is now as close as it's been for a while, only 13 points!

Is there any info on when the finals of the Xin'ao Cup are being played?

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Post #204 Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:40 pm 
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Is there any info on when the finals of the Xin'ao Cup are being played?


It'll be a best-of-5 starting on 12/18, then 19/21/23/24.

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Post #205 Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:08 pm 
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Mysterious account in Fox Go Server had 41 win streak with many big name pros, but don't worry, Ke Jie manage to end that winning streak!

http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20171118/24661564.html
http://news.chengdu.cn/2017/1119/1929565.shtml

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Post #206 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:08 am 
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Today Ke jie played Shi yue in the chinese A league, unfortunately he lost (again). Maybe he is in a slump. I also don't really like his recent style , I feel it is very thin; like water hahahah.
http://duiyi.sina.com.cn/gibo_new/gibov ... img=&wimg=
Ke jie is white and Shi yue is black. White's moves are so impressive but not enough to win.

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Post #207 Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:42 am 
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His style really like AlphaGo Zero now (the global style). Althought he said he doesn't want to compete with AI, I think he still never give up to catch up AI. Some pro players I know still want to beat the god of go. Superhuman will appear. XD

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Post #208 Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:51 am 
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WindCaliber wrote:
On a side note, with Ke Jie's recent loss to Iyama Yuta, the gap between him and Park Junghwan on goratings is now as close as it's been for a while, only 13 points!
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Today Ke jie played Shi yue in the chinese A league, unfortunately he lost (again). Maybe he is in a slump. I also don't really like his recent style , I feel it is very thin; like water hahahah.
http://duiyi.sina.com.cn/gibo_new/gibov ... img=&wimg=
Ke jie is white and Shi yue is black. White's moves are so impressive but not enough to win.


I took a look at the game, and it seems really complicated with a huge fight on the top. By my (probably inaccurate) count, Shi Yue was ahead by ~2.5 points when Ke Jie resigned.

Ke Jie is now 10 points from Park on goratings :O
If he loses another game, and Park wins one, Park might take back the #1 spot!

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Post #209 Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:32 pm 
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pookpooi wrote:
Mysterious account in Fox Go Server had 41 win streak with many big name pros, but don't worry, Ke Jie manage to end that winning streak!

http://news.sina.com.tw/article/20171118/24661564.html
http://news.chengdu.cn/2017/1119/1929565.shtml


From Ke Jie's Weibo the previous weekend:
"一个AI满地走的时代...除了alphago以外,这个昵称为“符合预期”的ai尤其强,实力应该已经远超当时与李世石对弈的alphago了吧?...在平台上41连胜...今日被我终结...一度觉得没法继续了的棋,很艰苦赢了下来...若是当初第一个与alphago对弈的人是我?结果到底会是如何?今夜未成眠... ​​​​"

Roughly translated to:
This is an AI generation(?). Besides alphago, the AI called "fuheyuqi' is especially strong, probably already even stronger than the alphago that played Lee Sedol? Its 41 win streak was ended by me today. For a time, I felt that there was no way to continue playing, and it was very difficult to win in the end. If the first person to have played alphago was me? What would the result have been? Won't be sleeping tonight...

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Post #210 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:26 am 
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Ke Jie just lost to Fan Yunruo in Chinese A League for his 8 losses in 11 games. Park Junghwan, on the other hand, won, so their Gorating difference will get even smaller.

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Post #211 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:01 am 
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Did the news about Ke Jie lost his bag at the airport get translate yet? Spoiler alert someone return the bag to him.

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Post #212 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:00 am 
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As someone who's spent time following pro chess, I don't think it's good to be too focused on rating. Does it really matter so much whether Ke Jie is ten GR points ahead of PJW or ten behind? The fact is that Ke Jie is the player who's been incorporating the AlphaGo style into his own and winning with it, Ke Jie that's putting himself at the forefront of human Go theory more than anyone else. PJW might become GR #1 but he can't become as interesting as Ke Jie, and I don't have much doubt that (in good form) Ke Jie's the stronger player. But it'll be interesting to see what happens if they meet in the Nongshim Cup.


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Post #213 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:59 pm 
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I don't think it's good or bad, ratings are just fun to follow (IMO). Obviously, if people take it to the extreme and/or are obsessive about it, then it's not good.

This is all just in good fun. Personally, I'm hoping Ke Jie figures out how he can successfully incorporate AlphaGo's ideas to become even stronger. Right now, it seems he hasn't hit the sweet spot yet.

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Post #214 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:31 pm 
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Not only us, Sina also write a report on this as well. At that time of writing the gap between them is 10 elo and Sina label it as 'smallest gap value in their history'. Now the gap is only 2 elo, I bet Sina is going crazy right now. But they're not gonna write a new report yet, they're waiting for today's result first.

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Post #215 Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 pm 
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Ke Jie's "slump" right now reminds me of Tiger Woods retooling his golf swing when he was already the clear number one in the world. It looks like he is trying to incorporate many of the ideas from AlphaGo's style into his own game, and it's caused a momentary dip in his tournament success. If all goes well, though, he'll come out stronger in the end.

I think it's a good lesson for those of us who are reluctant to make changes in our game that we know are necessary for improvement but will lead to taking a few losses before we can adapt to the new style. Ke Jie has a lot more on the line than an amateur player, but he's still striving to improve his game instead of resting on a style that has worked for him so far. Ke is not unique in this regard, of course: I think it is a common trait among those who really seek to push the boundaries of what they are capable. (Kitani comes to mind as a prime example.)

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Post #216 Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:02 am 
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jeromie, a reasonable point about having a possibly temporary dip in performance as you incorporate new ideas, but with Ke Jie it's not so simple. I've not replayed all his games to double-check, but iirc he started doing AlphaGo-style early 3-3s and so on straight after the Wuzhen AlphaGo match and had great results with that 22-win streak in June/July. It's just the last month he has had bad results. So incorporating these new ideas initially had good results, but now bad. So I suggest a few explanations:
- He is going even more extreme AlphaGo style recently and can't yet make that successful, whereas a milder AlphaGo style he could use well.
- His AlphaGo-ness is similar, but his opponents are figuring out better how to counter it
- He is just having a patch of bad form

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Post #217 Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:32 am 
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Wow just saw that Park was only 2 points behind Ke :shock: On the other hand, Iyama Yuta is on fire and could also steal the place relatively soon. :D

But in the next 2 years, the real threat will probably be the younger one of the top 5 Shin Jinseo :roll:

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Post #218 Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:13 am 
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Ke Jie was ahead throughout the game against Jiang Weijie today, but went for the kill in the midgame and failed and ended up losing the game. Park Junghwan, on the other hand, was trailing Fan Yunruo early (by Sina's commentaries), but came back to win. So we will indeed have a new No. 1 tomorrow.

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Post #219 Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:49 am 
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I'm surprised Park made that 4-4 plus 2 large knight's enclosure, which I thought was a textbook dubious shape as the 3-3 is not secure. I know textbooks are being rewritten recently, but that reason still seems valid and sure enough Fan soon invaded 3-3.

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Post #220 Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:00 am 
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Clean win against Park Junghwan, hope this will make him back on track to his reign.



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