Life In 19x19 :: Final Stage of 3rd MLily Cup Begins on June 19th

Anybody familiar with Ilya maybe can help to interpret his swinging posture here http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8xyepb9q?fid=103 ... 06db01b863
Is he happy or upset about his position?

Anybody familiar with Ilya maybe can help to interpret his swinging posture here http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8xyepb9q?fid=103 ... 06db01b863

The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here.

More seriously, this link illustrates a problem that irritates me most days, but I'm hoping the wealth of people with computer experience on this forum might include someone who can tell me how to avoid it.

The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. This has long seemed standard with pdf files but it seems to be spreading fast to other formats. How do I skirt round this obnoxious behaviour?

Uberdude wrote:

I think bold is clearer to mark winners:

P.S. Good win for female Lu Minquan 4p who I hadn't heard of before, maybe one of the biggest upsets of the round. Goratings has her at #387 (3080) vs Han at #82 (3332) so 19% win chance.
P.P.S Wang beating Shin was 16%.

Yes of course! Thanks for posting in the right format!

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Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast?

Thanks very much for posting the updates! Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast?

(BTW, the AGA will try and broadcast Ryan's game vs Chen Yaoye tomorrow, and we'll also go between that game and the Zen game. Jennie Shen 2p comments, starting 10:30pm PDT (UTC-7), june 20th.)

Is today relax day or not, I'm confused
Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup?

Noooo!
Neither my eight-year-old monitor nor my 64-year-old eyes handle contrast as well as they used to. Wolfking's list is much clearer for me.

In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?

Bohdan wrote:

In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?

No they will always use the latest bestest

Joke aside Kato Hideki did say that if DeepZenGo get into round of 16 he will be more confident to face Ke Jie because DZG will have more time to develop, so it appears they will be using a new version.

I think using an upgraded version isn't fair, even if DeepZenGo doesn't share the rate of improvement of Alpha Go.

Author:	Uberdude [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 am ]
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wolfking wrote: Anybody familiar with Ilya maybe can help to interpret his swinging posture here http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8xyepb9q?fid=103 ... 06db01b863 Is he happy or upset about his position? That's pretty normal for Ilya, as is the looking into opponent's eyes like saying "Whatcha gonna do now, punk?". Puts terror into the hearts of European amateurs, Asian pros not so much.

Author:	John Fairbairn [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:11 am ]
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Quote: Anybody familiar with Ilya maybe can help to interpret his swinging posture here http://weibo.com/tv/v/F8xyepb9q?fid=103 ... 06db01b863 Piles? More seriously, this link illustrates a problem that irritates me most days, but I'm hoping the wealth of people with computer experience on this forum might include someone who can tell me how to avoid it. The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. This has long seemed standard with pdf files but it seems to be spreading fast to other formats. How do I skirt round this obnoxious behaviour? Allied to that, I also detect a growing trend for html pages to be made unprintable. Or is it my paranoia?

Author:	wolfking [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:20 am ]
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John Fairbairn wrote: The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. I can report that it did not give me problem on Chrome (browser). But I am running Chrome on a ancient Windows XP machine so not sure about newer OS.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:22 am ]
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John Fairbairn wrote: More seriously, this link illustrates a problem that irritates me most days, but I'm hoping the wealth of people with computer experience on this forum might include someone who can tell me how to avoid it. The problem is that some sites seem to disable my back button while I'm there. In other words, when I went to the above link, I had to exit the browser and reload it to get back here. This has long seemed standard with pdf files but it seems to be spreading fast to other formats. How do I skirt round this obnoxious behaviour? IMX, when I have run into that problem, pressing and holding the back button will produce a list of previous pages you can choose. Usually you only have to go past the previous page or two to get past the obnoxious behavior. (Your back button actually works, but the previous link reloads your present page.) If that does not work, there is probably a History tab on the top line of your browser. You can click it and choose a page from it. Another thing I often do is just open a link like the one in question in a new tab, and then just close the tab when I am done with the page. My wife does that, but she ends up with a gazillion tabs open.

Author:	wolfking [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:50 am ]
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Pairing of round of 32 Like xiayun said, there is no re-draw until final 16 so we can pretty much figure out who's playing who from round 64 results. I am posting the pairing just to make it more obvious and easier to post results later. 1. Huang Xin 4p (CN) vs Zhang Xuan 8p (CN) 2. Choi Cheolhan 9p (KR) vs Lee Sedol 9p (KR) 3. Chen Yaoye 9p (CN) vs Ryan Li 1p (CA) 4. Tong Mengcheng 6p (CN) vs Park Yeonghun 9p (KR) 5. Chen Zijian 4p (CN) vs Lu Minquan 4p (CN) 6. Han Taehee 6p (KR) vs Fan Yunruo 6p (CN) 7. Wang Haoyang 6p (CN) vs DeepZenGo (JP, AI) 8. Tang Weixing 9p (CN) vs Tan Xiao 8p (CN) 9. Gao Yu 3p (CN) vs He Yang 1p (CN) 10. Huang Jingyuan 3p (CN) vs Ke Jie 9p (CN) 11. Xie Ke 3p (CN) vs Li Zhe 6p (CN) 12. Guo Yuzheng 5p (CN) vs Li Xuanhao 6p (CN) 13. Kono Rin 9p (JP) vs Rong Yi 5p (CN) 14. Wang Tao 6p (CN) vs Takao Shinji 9p (JP) 15. Liao Yuanhe 5p (CN) vs Na Hyun 6p (KR) 16. Park Junghwan 9p (KR) vs Zhou Ruiyang 9p (CN)

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Author:	xiayun [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:49 pm ]
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We are going to see fresh faces in the round of 16, especially with a few highly ranked players going against each other (Choi vs. Lee, Tang vs. Tan, Park vs. Zhou). All three Japanese players (DeepZenGo included) as well as two remaining female players have solid chances, and we'll have at least two 4p-or-lower players advancing.

Author:	ez4u [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:40 pm ]
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wolfking wrote: Uberdude wrote: I think bold is clearer to mark winners: P.S. Good win for female Lu Minquan 4p who I hadn't heard of before, maybe one of the biggest upsets of the round. Goratings has her at #387 (3080) vs Han at #82 (3332) so 19% win chance. P.P.S Wang beating Shin was 16%. Yes of course! Thanks for posting in the right format! ... Noooo! Neither my eight-year-old monitor nor my 64-year-old eyes handle contrast as well as they used to. Wolfking's list is much clearer for me.

Author:	seigenblues [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:47 pm ]
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Thanks very much for posting the updates! Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast? (BTW, the AGA will try and broadcast Ryan's game vs Chen Yaoye tomorrow, and we'll also go between that game and the Zen game. Jennie Shen 2p comments, starting 10:30pm PDT (UTC-7), june 20th.)

Author:	Uberdude [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:00 pm ]
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seigenblues wrote: Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast? Please do; you can make your own like I do with http://goratings.org and http://www.bobnewell.net/nucleus/bnewell.php?itemid=279.

Author:	xiayun [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:04 pm ]
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seigenblues wrote: Thanks very much for posting the updates! Uberdude, do you mind if i use some of your stats in the broadcast? (BTW, the AGA will try and broadcast Ryan's game vs Chen Yaoye tomorrow, and we'll also go between that game and the Zen game. Jennie Shen 2p comments, starting 10:30pm PDT (UTC-7), june 20th.) Thanks! It's really nice to see both Ryan and Stephanie participate in this tournament.

Author:	pookpooi [ Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:58 pm ]
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Is today relax day or not, I'm confused Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup?

Author:	Uberdude [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:56 am ]
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pookpooi wrote: Is today relax day or not, I'm confused Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup? No games today, 2nd round is tomorrow. Assuming it follows a similar schedule to the previous edition 3rd and 4th round will be in a month or two, with semi-final around November and final around end/new year.

Author:	ratata [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:30 am ]
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pookpooi wrote: Is today relax day or not, I'm confused Can I have calendar of the whole MLily cup? According to Chinese wikipedia (https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%A2%A6 ... 0%E8%B5%9B): 1. round - 19. June 2. round - 21. June 3. round - 24. August 4. round - 26. August Semifinal - 17., 19. and 20. November Final - 30. December 2017 - 5. January 2018

Author:	pookpooi [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:11 am ]
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Thank you for both reply. They even play around New Year celebration!

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Author:	Baywa [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:53 am ]
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ez4u wrote: Noooo! Neither my eight-year-old monitor nor my 64-year-old eyes handle contrast as well as they used to. Wolfking's list is much clearer for me. 1. Huang Xin 4p (CN) vs Moon Yoobyeong (a, KR) 2. Zhang Xuan 8p (CN) vs Stephanie Yin 1p (US) 3. Choi Cheolhan 9p (KR) vs Yin Qu 1p (CN) 4. Park Chongyoo (a, KR) vs Lee Sedol 9p (KR) 5. Yang Dingxin 5p (CN) vs Chen Yaoye 9p (CN) 6. Cheng Honghao 2p (CN) vs Ryan Li 1p (CA) 7. Lian Xiao 8p (CN) vs Tong Mengcheng 6p (CN) 8. Park Yeonghun 9p (KR) vs Li Biqi 3p (CN) 9. An Joyeong 9p (KR) vs Chen Zijian 4p (CN) 10. Han Seungjoo 4p (KR) vs Lu Minquan 4p (CN) 11. Han Taehee 6p (KR) vs Mi Yuting 9p (CN) 12. Zhao Yifei 1p (CN) vs Fan Yunruo 6p (CN) 13. Wang Haoyang 6p (CN) vs Shin Jinseo 8p (KR) 14. Shin Minjun 5p (KR) vs DeepZenGo (JP, AI) 15. Tang Weixing 9p (CN) vs Cho Namjun (a, KR) 16. Tan Xiao 8p (CN) vs Park Chingrui (a, KR) 17. Yu Zhengqi 7p (JP) vs Gao Yu 3p (CN) 18. Ilya Shinkshin 1p (RU) vs He Yang 1p (CN) 19. Xu Jiayang 6p (CN) vs Huang Jingyuan 3p (CN) 20. Kang Yootaek 8p (KR) vs Ke Jie 9p (CN) 21. Gu Zihao 5p (CN) vs Xie Ke 3p (CN) 22. Li Zhe 6p (CN) vs Li Xiangyu 4p (CN) 23. Ahn Kukhyun 8p (KR) vs Guo Yuzheng 5p (CN) 24. Lee Jihyun 6p (KR) vs Li Xuanhao 6p (CN) 25. Kono Rin 9p (JP) vs Tao Xinran 6p (CN) 26. Xiao Zhenghao 9p (TW) vs Rong Yi 5p (CN) 27. Dang Yifei 9p (CN) vs Wang Tao 6p (CN) 28. Takao Shinji 9p (JP) vs Jiang Weijie 9p (CN) 29. Liao Yuanhe 5p (CN) vs Mateusz Surma 1p (PL) 30. Kang Dongyun 9p (KR) vs Na Hyun 6p (KR) 31. Park Junghwan 9p (KR) vs Tuo Jiaxi 9p (CN) 32. Zhou Ruiyang 9p (CN) vs Ma Yichao 4p (CN) Better?

Author:	Bohdan [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:58 am ]
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In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware?

Author:	xiayun [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:31 am ]
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Bohdan wrote: In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware? Next round will be held in August, but yeah, they can use an improved version by rule.

Author:	wolfking [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:34 am ]
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Bohdan wrote: In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware? No they will always use the latest bestest Joke aside Kato Hideki did say that if DeepZenGo get into round of 16 he will be more confident to face Ke Jie because DZG will have more time to develop, so it appears they will be using a new version.

Author:	kimidori [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:58 am ]
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I think using an upgraded version isn't fair, even if DeepZenGo doesn't share the rate of improvement of Alpha Go. If the rule allows this, now I tend to agree with Ke Jie that bot shouldn't participate in human tournament.

Author:	Bill Spight [ Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:50 am ]
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wolfking wrote: Bohdan wrote: In case DeepZen go to the next round which will be held in November will they use the current version and hardware? No they will always use the latest bestest Joke aside Kato Hideki did say that if DeepZenGo get into round of 16 he will be more confident to face Ke Jie because DZG will have more time to develop, so it appears they will be using a new version. kimidori wrote: I think using an upgraded version isn't fair, even if DeepZenGo doesn't share the rate of improvement of Alpha Go. I agree that the program that enters the tournament should play the whole tournament. On the same or equivalent hardware, OC. A new, improved version is a different program, IMO. Even if the rules allow development, Hideki should stick with the same program throughout. FWIW, I had hoped that DeepZenGo would win this tournament, and then that would be the last time that a computer program would be allowed to enter it. But if it does so with a new version, that would leave a bad taste in my mouth.