Life In 19x19 :: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup

My intuition says something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . | $$ | . O X X . X W O O O X . X X . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . . . O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . 5 . O X O 2 . . X X O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O O 3 . X X O . X O O . | $$ | . . . , 4 O . O X , X . O X X , X . . | $$ | . . . . 6 . . X X . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X | $$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

But the 3 black stones seem weak. Also, I don't have an answer for this hane at 4:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . | $$ | . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . | $$ | . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . | $$ | . O X X 8 X W O O O X . X X . O X O . | $$ | . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . | $$ | . . 7 5 O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . 6 O X O 1 . . X X O O O O . . . | $$ | . . . . X O . O O 2 . X X O . X O O . | $$ | . . . , 3 O . O X , X . O X X , X . . | $$ | . . . . 4 . . X X . . . O O O . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X | $$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

That's not something I see working.

Bedtime for me now, though. Maybe I'll get lucky and dream about it :-)

Author:	dust [ Tue Sep 05, 2017 6:32 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
I had to double-check that the capsule update report was actually written by Uberdude - seemed a bit uncharacteristically impolite in one or two places.

Author:	alphaville [ Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:53 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
dust wrote: I had to double-check that the capsule update report was actually written by Uberdude - seemed a bit uncharacteristically impolite in one or two places. I also found it rude in more than two places.

Author:	Javaness2 [ Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mes-gender -plunge-into-those-juicy-keywords

Author:	trout [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Cho Chihoon had new hair cut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Author:	hokusai [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Actually, how was it nice to read Uberdude's so-called "rude" update report on today games, instead of reproachs

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Author:	explo [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:04 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
alphaville wrote: dust wrote: I had to double-check that the capsule update report was actually written by Uberdude - seemed a bit uncharacteristically impolite in one or two places. I also found it rude in more than two places. It might be crude at times but I'm curious which comments you actually consider rude.

Author:	xiayun [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:08 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Advanced: Song Taekon, Ke Jie (by 0.5 points), Tang Weixing, Shin Jinseo, Lee Sedol, Ahn Kukhyun, Zhao Chenyu, Park Junghwan The matchups to decide the other 8 spots: Fan Yunruo vs. Iyama Yuta Shin Minjun vs. Tuo Jiaxi Tong Mengcheng vs. Park Jinsol An Sungjoon vs. Xue Guanhua Yamashita Keigo vs. Chen Zijian Chen Yaoye vs. Komatsu Hideki Park Yeonghun vs. Byun Sangil Lee Donghoon vs. Gu Zihao

Author:	alphaville [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:11 am ]
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explo wrote: alphaville wrote: dust wrote: I had to double-check that the capsule update report was actually written by Uberdude - seemed a bit uncharacteristically impolite in one or two places. I also found it rude in more than two places. It might be crude at times but I'm curious which comments you actually consider rude. I disliked his comments related to players' genders or countries of origin.

Author:	hyperpape [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:02 pm ]
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trout wrote: Cho Chihoon had new hair cut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I struggled here. I wanted to like that post for focusing on the important things, but could not quite like the fact that Cho has a haircut .

Author:	handa711 [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:10 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Wow Mr.Kin's brackets are totally wrong this time. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/wr/lg/. Like totally messed up.

Author:	Uberdude [ Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:05 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
handa711 wrote: Wow Mr.Kin's brackets are totally wrong this time. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/wr/lg/. Like totally messed up. You are looking at the wrong tournament. He doesn't have 22nd Samsung main tournament up yet.

Author:	handa711 [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 12:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Uberdude wrote: handa711 wrote: Wow Mr.Kin's brackets are totally wrong this time. https://gotoeveryone.k2ss.info/wr/lg/. Like totally messed up. You are looking at the wrong tournament. He doesn't have 22nd Samsung main tournament up yet. Oops my bad.

Author:	xiayun [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:27 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Round of 16 (will be played on 09/25): Ke Jie vs. An Sungjoon Tong Mengcheng vs. Yamashita Keigo Shin Jinseo vs. Iyama Yuta Lee Sedol vs. Tuo Jiaxi Park Yeonghun vs. Gu Zihao Tang Weixing vs. Song Taekon Park Junghwan vs. Zhao Chenyu Chen Yaoye vs. Ahn Kukhyun Some tasty matchups.

Author:	alphaville [ Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:50 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
This is an interesting position that occurred in the game between Komatsu Hideki from Japan and Kim Cheayoung of Korea. Kim plays white and she lost a group on the right side earlier. White's last chance seems to be in attacking the large black group in the upper-left, which she has been chasing for the last several moves. It is white's turn, and in the game white played at "a" and let black live with "b". Why didn't white go for the kill with "b" instead? Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . \| $$ \| . O X X . X b O O O X . X X . O X O . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O X O . . . X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X O . O O a . X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . . . , . O . O X , X . O X X , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . X X . . . O O O . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:	Uberdude [ Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:52 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Results of round of 16 with brief summary (hidden as some find my comments offensive rather than valuable) Park Junghwan beat Zhao Chenyu. ---- "World champion killer" Zhao's run comes to an end. Park made micro-Chinese, Zhao 3-3 invaded the 4-4 and later invaded the side with cool attachment and ended up sacrificing several times to get his group out and counter attack Park's big wall, but Park weathered the storm and Zhao resigned in early yose. An Sungjoon beat Ke Jie! ------ Shock of the round, An did AlphaGo-esque 3-3 invasion like Gu Zihao did against Ke recently, different outcome (that Blackie at BIBA had wondered about). Big ko which Ke lost, killed another corner but had to crawl on 2nd line a while. Ke resigned, behind more than komi? Tang Weixing beat Song Taekon Shin Jinseo beat Iyama Yuta ---- Big fight between 2 dragons, Shin's fragile net just held together and he won the semeai. Tuo Jiaxi beat Lee Sedol ----- Lots of fighting, plus Lee ignored Tuo's 3-3 invasion, twice! Tong Mengcheng beat Yamashita Keigo ---- Nice mutual moyo game, but in a trade Yamashita killed a group and probably reckoned he could save his bigger one, but didn't. So Japan out (neither that surprising: Tong is a solid world ~#30-40, and Shin was a very strong opponent for Iyama). An Kukhyun beat Chen Yaoye ----- half a point Gu Zihao beat Park Yeounghun ----- Chinese youngster beats Korean veteran. Overall a good result for Korea, particularly the younger players (The 2 Ans (26, 25), and Shin (17), taking out Ke Jie and Iyama Yuta) though losing older champs Lee Sedol / Park Yeonghun. Gu (19) and Tong (21) are the only 2 of the young upcoming Chinese pros to survive.

Author:	alphaville [ Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:19 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
I was disappointed with the Japanese players' games, both were quick - by the time I remembered to watch they were already over - and followed similar patterns: when try to fight, a very big dragon dies. Isn't there a proverb saying "big groups never die"?

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Author:	Kirby [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 12:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
My intuition says something like this: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . \| $$ \| . O X X . X W O O O X . X X . O X O . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . 5 . O X O 2 . . X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X O . O O 3 . X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . . . , 4 O . O X , X . O X X , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . 6 . . X X . . . O O O . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] But the 3 black stones seem weak. Also, I don't have an answer for this hane at 4: Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . \| $$ \| . O X X 8 X W O O O X . X X . O X O . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . 7 5 O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . 6 O X O 1 . . X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X O . O O 2 . X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . . . , 3 O . O X , X . O X X , X . . \| $$ \| . . . . 4 . . X X . . . O O O . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go] That's not something I see working. Bedtime for me now, though. Maybe I'll get lucky and dream about it

Author:	alphaville [ Fri Sep 08, 2017 10:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
It seems that white's strongest continuation is to defend around 8 in the last diagram instead of 7, let black capture, then sneak out below 5. Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$W Ladder $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ \| . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . O O X O O X X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . O . O X X X . X . O O X X . X . . \| $$ \| . . O O X X X X X O O . . . X , X X . \| $$ \| . O X X . X 1 O O O X . X X . O X O . \| $$ \| . . O O X X . X . O X . X . X O O . . \| $$ \| . . . . O X X X O O . . O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . 7 . O X O . . . X X O O O O . . . \| $$ \| . . . . X O . O O . . X X O . X O O . \| $$ \| . . . . 2 O . O X , X . O X X , X . . \| $$ \| . . . 6 3 4 5 X X . . . O O O . X . . \| $$ \| . . . . 8 . 9 . . . . . X O . X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . \| $$ \| . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O X . . X \| $$ \| . . . , . . . . X O . O . O O O X X . \| $$ \| . . . O . . . . X . . X . O X X . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . \| $$ \| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \| $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Author:	xiayun [ Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:58 am ]
Post subject:	Re: 2017 22nd Samsung Cup
Quarterfinal matches: An Kukhyun vs. Tuo Jiaxi Park Junghwan vs. Gu Zihao Shin Jinseo vs. Tang Weixing An Sungjoon vs. Tong Mengcheng Korea players have done well in the recent major tournaments, with two Parks in the Mlily semi and favorite to meet in the final and the success here. Their head-to-head records against Chinese players have been impressive.