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Post #21 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:44 pm 
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At move 162 FineArt estimate Black winrate for 95.6% Now where is my champagne??!!!!!

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Post #22 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:52 pm 
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Did Ke Jie miss the tesuji that Iyama played to extend his two black stones and ended up killing the entire white group on the bottom right?

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Post #23 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:58 pm 
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Meanwhile Xie Erhao win in another match by resignation

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Post #24 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:11 pm 
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Black made a mess on the upper left, allowing the dead white stones to not just escape, but capture the two black stones in the mean time.

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Post #25 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:40 pm 
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Iyama Yuta win!!

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Post #26 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:40 pm 
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Yes, Iyama indeed made life complicated for him, but finally he still won!

Congrats to him and all his fans here ;)

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Post #27 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:46 pm 
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Final match 2018 February 5, 7, (and 8 if necessary).

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Post #28 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:50 pm 
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Does feel happy for Iyama Yuta. Definitely pulling for Ke Jie to win Shinyao Cup though.

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Post #29 Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:05 pm 
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Wow, I'm very surprised that Ke Jie was beaten, with W no less, by Iyama Yuta! Happy for him though, and I'm hoping he can take the win for Japan!

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Does feel happy for Iyama Yuta. Definitely pulling for Ke Jie to win Shinyao Cup though.

Peng Liyao doesn't seem to be in good form lately, but then again I guess Ke Jie isn't doing so great either(relatively).

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Post #30 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 2:46 am 
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Post #31 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:58 pm 
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Ke Jie is very sad according to his social media post.

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By the way, the final stage is rumored to be in China, but that may be due to Google mistranslation

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Post #32 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:10 am 
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Is today game transmitted online?

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Post #33 Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:22 am 
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The final of LG cup is in February 2018, Samsung cup final between Tang Weixing and Gu Zihao was today and online, see forum/viewtopic.php?p=225694#p225694.

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Post #34 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:07 pm 
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Up and following the first game of the final.

Is the variation in the lower right ( :b31: ) a relatively recently played move or am I just truly clueless about joseki?

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Post #35 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:24 pm 
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Last edited by Uberdude on Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:20 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Correct diagram

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Post #36 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 7:38 pm 
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Here is the gogameguru report on Xie 5p's wins over Rui Naiwei 9p and Yamahita Keigo 9p when he was 13 years old 6 years ago

https://gogameguru.com/13-year-old-xie- ... iling-cup/

And commentary of his win over Li Kang 6p in the same tournament

https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-xi ... iling-cup/

So it is definitely a pleasant surprise to see him in an international final after all these years, but the fact that it is also Iyama 9p's (and Japan's) chance to win an international tournament after all these years makes it a doubly exiting matchup, if also a somewhat unfortunate coincidence.

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Post #37 Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 9:11 pm 
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Elom, lower right is a new joseki drom AlphaGo. Also top left you shifted one line. White's push on 2nd line there rather than connect may also be influenced by AlphaGo (but does pre-date AG): in 4-4 pincer and take corner josekis it often prefers that crawl to connection.


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Post #38 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:33 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
Elom, lower right is a new joseki drom AlphaGo. Also top left you shifted one line. White's push on 2nd line there rather than connect may also be influenced by AlphaGo (but does pre-date AG): in 4-4 pincer and take corner josekis it often prefers that crawl to connection.


Thank you, diagram corrected!

I see about the joseki in the lower left, it does seem an interesting variation. Similarly with the top left— both suspicions happened to be correct I guess.

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Xie 5p won with white by resignation after 180 moves.

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Post #39 Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:18 pm 
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Elom, your diagram top left was still a line off horizontally, I used my magical admin powers to fix it.

As for the game, sgf below courtesy of go4go, my summary based on 4d ama feeling would be:
- top left because black tenukid for 19 and W could close (in effectively sente as B came back to add move at 41) I prefer W's crawl to usual joseki where b pushes down there, even though B got to double approach.
- I've never been a fan of 45.
- ladder breaker of 61 was key moment. That white fixed left and didn't die on top seems like fail for black to me.
- sequence to 94 seemed locally awful for black to me, only good thing is black got sente twice. Maybe left stones aren't so big?? But w got centre power too
- which he used to split white at 101 and got a nice attack
- that centre power meant 130 was strong, b's wall was weak
- B nicely managed to live to 157
- ending sequence seems like B messed up somewhere (167?), dunno who was ahead if b keeps side and middle survives with w getting reductions and probably slide top right is tedomari. Maybe white so 167 was seppuku?


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Post #40 Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:28 pm 
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Iyama won (a complex) game 2 by half a point so we get a decider. Hooray!

p.s. This game is amazing, great amashi and fighting from Iyama.


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