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 Post subject: Human and AI opinion on Gu-Lee game opening.
Post #1 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:40 am 
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Game 4 in the Gu-Lee Decagame match. The position up to white 26 was insightful for many players.

I wonder what different strengths and styles of players think and feel and I also wonder what the Elf or Leela position is on this.





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Post #2 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:25 am 
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Without checking Elf, I think I can fairly safely say it will not like the following moves which don't follow the "approach or enclosing a 3-4 is more important than answer approach to 4-4 or side moves" principle: 6, 7, 8, probably 9. And given the bots love of territory I'd expect it to prefer black. Btw we discussed this position a bit in comparison to a question with a similar white group at forum/viewtopic.php?p=210893#p210893.


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Post #3 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:23 am 
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LZ #157 really dislike :w20:, with a -14% drop in winrate. It's the first move where she has a strong opinion (before that, the winrate didn't change much, black did grind back something like 1-2%, kinda meaningless) .

Then, it's the 44-45 exchange that trigger her : :w44: is a -8%, and :b45: a -13%. Before that, there is no drop over 4%


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