It is currently Sat Mar 23, 2019 12:18 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #1 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:07 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Fan Tingyu, 9p - Park Junghwan, 9p, B+R (Komi 6.5)
20th Nongshim Cup, game 9, 2018-11-27

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move and a are both possible. I prefer the move a personally and checked my pro database. White won all three games after choosing a in this position.


Last edited by Gomoto on Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #2 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:15 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$c
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . b . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


b first seems to be the better move. The exchange white b for black G18 is good for white. Black looses the good play at G17 this way.


Last edited by Gomoto on Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:26 am, edited 2 times in total.
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #3 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:20 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . c X . . X . . O . . . X W . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


c is probably the better choice. It is sente and blacks stones are cramped after black answers at F4.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #4 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:36 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Q6 is in the right spot for black.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #5 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:38 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . d O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . O . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move should be reevaluated in this shape. What about d?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #6 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:40 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
possible continuations:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . O . . 3 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$W
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . . , . . . . . X . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . 2 1 O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . X . . O . . 3 X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Fan Tingyu - Park Junghwan (B+R)
Post #7 Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 6:42 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 1087
Location: Earth
Liked others: 346
Was liked: 180
Another game with a similar shape were the proposed move is perhaps the better alternative.

Kudo Norio, 9p - Yoshihara Yukari, 6p, W+2.5 (Komi 6.5)
43rd Japanese Tengen, preliminary, 2016-06-02


in the game black played:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O X . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . O . O . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


alternative:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O X . . . . O . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O X . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O O O . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O . O . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 7 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 4 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group