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EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match
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Author:  dfan [ Fri May 31, 2019 5:32 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

I agree that "0:45 + 1 x 60s" really should mean that you have one period in reserve after using this one up.
Author:  Aram [ Fri May 31, 2019 5:33 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
Schedule of Amsterdam tournament:

Quote:
Sunday, June 2
09:30 – 13:00 Round 6
14:00 – 17:30 Round 7 --- Live commentary of the final by Rob van Zeijst 7d
17:45 – 18:15 Prize-giving ceremony


If Ali is playing in those 2 rounds he's going to be tired and not in a good condition to play another gruelling game at 8pm :sad:


Indeed.. imagine the transatlantic match ending at around midnight for Ali, and him having played 3 rounds during the day...
Author:  Uberdude [ Fri May 31, 2019 5:36 am ]
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dfan wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

There is none, you cannot distinguish these 2 situations!

P.S. I've posted a reply to the official facebook post about the confusing clock and other concerns.
Author:  dfan [ Fri May 31, 2019 5:37 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
dfan wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
OGS also has a rather confusing user interface for the clock in byo-yomi if you are used to other servers.

I appreciate your description but I'm still confused! What is difference in display between "45 seconds left of main time, followed by 5 byo-yomi periods" and "main time has expired and there are 45 seconds left in your first byo-yomi period" (out of 5)?

There is none, you cannot distinguish these 2 situations!

:shock:
Author:  Kirby [ Fri May 31, 2019 6:23 am ]
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Uberdude wrote:
P.P.S I'm wondering should I send Ali a message about this, or does that actually hurt his winning chances: in the event he times out because he is misled by the confusing clock he could no longer claim ignorance and, echoing the Mateusz ruling, that means he accepts the bad conditions. But if Eric loses on time because of a confusing clock he can claim he didn't know about the bad user interface and therefore should get a rematch. So if I want Ali to win I should tell Eric, ignorance is bliss!


It'd be more clear to say, if you message Ali about this, and Ali is still confused about the clock, he should bring it up to the organizers, and they should work out a resolution to resolve the confusion. Why would Ali proceed with the game in a state of confusion, without trying to resolve it?

If I tell you to watch out before crossing the road, because a bus is coming, why not try to do something to avoid the bus?
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri May 31, 2019 6:54 am ]
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Kirby wrote:
If I tell you to watch out before crossing the road, because a bus is coming, why not try to do something to avoid the bus?


OC, if your grandmother is handy, . . . ;)
Author:  Bonobo [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:21 am ]
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Ali Jabarin (W) vs. Eric Lui (B)

https://online-go.com/game/18114039

https://www.twitch.tv/usgoweb
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:59 am ]
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Bonobo wrote:
Ali Jabarin (W) vs. Eric Lui (B)

https://online-go.com/game/18114039...

Lui gave up a huge corner for a wall.

EDIT...and won.
Author:  Bonobo [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:39 pm ]
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French commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/HisokaH
Author:  Javaness2 [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:53 pm ]
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I see Eric won.
Author:  Aram [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:11 pm ]
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With what happened in a certain earlier game, i find it rather odd and amusing that some people on OGS and Twitch are suggesting that Ali should resign and not play to the end...

You know.. if there is a large 10-ish point difference, how could the game result ever change?
Author:  sorin [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:18 pm ]
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Are the variations from the live commentary being officially recorded somewhere? I missed much of the beginning part of the commentary.

I know they may eventually make the video commentary available on youtube, like they did for the first 3 games: https://www.youtube.com/user/USGOWeb but that seems to be done with a great delay (game 4 is not available there yet).
Author:  gowan [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:09 pm ]
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Well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that some hypocritical commenters insisted that Lui should have resigned when significantly behind during overtime in game 4 but didn't then say that Jabarin should resign when more than 20 points behind in game 5. Or maybe Jabarin was hoping that Lui might lose due to running out of time; it was completely within his right to play to the end. Anyhow, it's good to have the game played without any foolishness. We can look forward to the next game.

I remember that decades ago the great Japanese champion Sakata played a tournament game all the way through the counting at the end to lose by more than 10 points. No one suggested that Sakata should have resigned earlier.
Author:  Bonobo [ Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:18 pm ]
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Congrats to Eric Lui!
Author:  Ferran [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:47 am ]
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sorin wrote:
I know they may eventually make the video commentary available on youtube [...] but that seems to be done with a great delay (game 4 is not available there yet).


There are programs and websites that allow you to download twitch videos. I'm not sure of the policy L19 regarding that, so I'm not publishing them here, but you can find them. The only thing is that twitch makes for rather "fat" videos, you'll have to pass it through a converter.

Take care.
Author:  Fenring [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:14 am ]
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gowan wrote:
Well, I guess it shouldn't be surprising that some hypocritical commenters insisted that Lui should have resigned when significantly behind during overtime in game 4 but didn't then say that Jabarin should resign when more than 20 points behind in game 5. Or maybe Jabarin was hoping that Lui might lose due to running out of time; it was completely within his right to play to the end. Anyhow, it's good to have the game played without any foolishness. We can look forward to the next game.

I remember that decades ago the great Japanese champion Sakata played a tournament game all the way through the counting at the end to lose by more than 10 points. No one suggested that Sakata should have resigned earlier.


You can't expect same fairplay after Surma defeat than before.
Yes, Jabarin behavior was unfair, but fairness in this tournament is dead.

The people did not blame Eric for not giving up but for having preferred the victory by disconnection to the defeat on the goban.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:24 am ]
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Fenring wrote:
Jabarin behavior was unfair, but fairness in this tournament is dead.


How was Jabarin's behavior unfair?
Author:  Fenring [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:30 am ]
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Unfair to continue hoping win by time or disconnection.
Author:  Bill Spight [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 2:44 am ]
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Fenring wrote:
Unfair to continue hoping win by time or disconnection.


I was unaware that he hoped to win by disconnection. But as far as winning by time is concerned, that's part of the game that everybody has agreed to. I don't know whether he hoped to win by time, either.
Author:  Fenring [ Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:58 am ]
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as already said, fairness/fairplay is not all that is allowed by the rules
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