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| Author: | TheCannyOnion [ Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
This thread should be locked. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:05 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
I don't see why it should be locked. It didn't break forum rules. Javaness made a popular non-admin request to stop rehashing the game 4 issue which has been heeded. People might want to discuss the Ali vs Eric game, though it seems not such a popular topic. The next game is this Sunday: Eric Lui vs Pavol Lisy. They recently played at the IMSA event and Pavol won, though I didn't see a game record. |
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| Author: | moha [ Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
TheCannyOnion wrote: This thread should be locked. IMO people's freedom should only be restricted with very good reasons. Even with very good reasons, it probably shouldn't.
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| Author: | explo [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Is the next game today? I can't see the confirmation on facebook. |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
TRANSATLANTIC PROFESSIONAL GO TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP Game #6 TODAY, Sunday, June 9, 20:00 CEST (14:00 EDT) Pavol Lisy 2p (EGF) vs. Eric Lui 1p (AGA) Watch live on twitch: twitch.tv/usgoweb https://transatlanticgo.org/ <edit> BTW, could anybody point me to some post where the “L19 titles” are explained? Like “Dies in Gote”, or, what I now have: “Oza” … (I’m sure I’m actually “Loses won Game” or something  )</edit> |
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| Author: | jlt [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
@Bonobo: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=226469#p226469 |
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| Author: | jlt [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
The game on OGS: https://online-go.com/game/18205527 P.S. Eric Lui won by 1.5 point. |
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| Author: | jann [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
This game (like B 217 & 219) is a good reminder not to take the game too seriously. Even LZ goes weird reviewing them, elf seems more consistent. |
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| Author: | Bonobo [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Thanks for both, @jlt, I totally forgot to add the game link. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
The game, lots of ups and downs, but Eric (white) won because he made the penultimate big mistake. The story according to LZ 226 on 3300 playouts. Attachment: Transatlantic 6 lz226 graph.PNG [ 219.5 KiB | Viewed 5719 times ] |
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| Author: | jann [ Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Around the mentioned moves B - with an overwhelming lead - connects several scattered stones and offers them up in bulk in an avoidable ko. This drops his chances from 97% to below 30% (which LZ interestingly only sees when all moves are played out, in its search it evaluates individual moves >90% - even the worst move creating the ko, though oc it prefers the unconditional connection). Interestingly LZ also confirms my suspicion: the whole sequence is worse than passing at 215 (which in itself was fine). Passing retains 35% from 97% (W can only take smaller scales). |
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| Author: | hoa803 [ Tue Jun 11, 2019 6:42 am ] | ||
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I want to try analysis of the game with more playouts. I find in my own games that analysis on the order of 25-50k playouts finds very different sequences due to it's more accurate reading. For example, I've noticed it can calculate long capturing races that are missed with lower playout counts. I think it also substantially improved ladder reading in most instances, which can alter the variations significantly. Edit: I ran the first 250 moves through GoReviewPartner at 25,600 playouts per move with LZ#226. Results are similar. I am attaching the rsgf file, which may be opened with the software to see the top variations that LeelaZero recorded. The screenshot shows the value network winrate in grey with black's winrate delta in red. The red basically shows how high black's winrate would have been, had they chosen LZ's optimal move. Attachment: black delta sml.JPG [ 56.84 KiB | Viewed 5564 times ]
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| Author: | jlt [ Sun Jun 30, 2019 11:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Artem Kachanovskyi vs. Eric Lui: https://online-go.com/game/18494065 https://www.twitch.tv/usgoweb |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:56 pm ] | ||
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Artem won by resign, a pretty close game throughout with some to and fros in the endgame but then Artem just lived in Eric's corner. So that's 4-3 to EGF, but Artem is busy next weekend so Ilya will play instead vs Ryan Li, so if Ilya wins Europe wins the event, if Ryan wins he plays Artem the week after. Attachment: artem vs eric winrate lz229.PNG [ 205.81 KiB | Viewed 5284 times ]
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| Author: | silviu22 [ Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:31 pm ] |
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All throughout the game I kept thinking "white is in trouble". Shows how much I know   If Ilya plays next week, then all 10 players played at least a game regardless of the final result. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Reminder that what could be the final game between the likely strongest players of both teams is today: Ilya Shikshin vs Ryan Li at 8pm central Europe time. So for Ilya in Russia he could be finishing at 1-2am! |
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| Author: | Javaness2 [ Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
Is there any reason why the matches are all scheduled so late in the day for Europe? |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
I'm guessing it's another example of naivety / not standing up for themselves by team Europe to ensure they aren't disadvantaged. 8pm Europe is 11am US west coast (and 2pm east where most of the AGA team live). Not having a lazy weekend lie-in and starting 2 hours earlier at 9am to avoid the other side playing past 11pm seems reasonable to me. Maybe US east coast wouldn't like needing to have an early lunch. But 1 hour earlier seems clearly better. |
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| Author: | Kirby [ Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
My AYD games are scheduled at 8pm (my time), and it’s very convenient for me. I’m back from work, my kids are in bed, and i can finally focus on my own stuff (although these days, I’m a slave to remodeling). I’d say starting at 9pm would be less convenient for me, though, more convenient than 7pm since my kids are up then. If I had no job or family life, my time preferences might be different. I guess it might depend on the individual. |
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| Author: | Uberdude [ Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EGF vs AGA pros win-and-continue match |
8pm on a weekday makes sense for after work, it's when most of Brit's pandanet European league games are (so 9pm for central European time opponents, if we played Russia we would start earlier to avoid them being late). But on the weekend as these games are there's a lot more flexibility in most people's schedules. |
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