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 Post subject: Re: Shin Jinseo
Post #41 Posted: Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:24 am 
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...it seems to be the only way to know what is the high point achieved by a certain player...

No, it's not the only way; it only seems that way to you. It's widely known that Goratings tracks Elo for individual players. Here are some examples:

Shin Jinseo: https://www.goratings.org/en/players/1313.html


As uberdude said, goratings changes past ratings. If you look at my annoying updates, you will see that on July 21st, Shin Jinseo's rating was 3699 and that it reached 3700 for the 1st time around July 22nd, 2019. I am aware of the link you sent, but the link you posted claims it reached 3700 on May 22nd, which is not correct.

The other link you posted (https://www.goratings.org/en/history/) has the same problem: it doesn't show the exact ratings on that date. And it is possible someone knows the highest rating for Ke Jie. If they do, I would very much like to know.

The closest information that I've seen regarding the high rating for Ke Jie was this:
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This has been mentioned before, but both Ke Jie and Park Junghwan had in fact exceed 3670 previously. The WHR algorithm will retroactively update a player's historical rating based on their subsequent performance as a self-correcting mechanism. e.g.

Ke Jie: 3680 on 09/05/2017 - https://web.archive.org/web/20170906033 ... gs.org/en/. His rating was even higher in July of that year when he had the 22-game winning streak.
Park: 3674 on 06/13/2018, https://web.archive.org/web/20180614044 ... gs.org/en/.


So archive.org does take snapshots of web pages at certain times, but they do it only once in a while. So we don't know for sure what was Ke Jie's rating in July 2017. The link you sent claims it was only 3659, but I very much doubt that. I would like to know, but that information seems to be lost.

I don't know whether everybody wants to know Jinseo's highest rating. If they don't, they are more than welcome to ignore my rants. But with the same analysis it seems to me that you also infer nobody else wants to know either. Or that others shouldn't post information you're not interested in. Is this like in high school when only cool kids decides what we should talk about?

The price of free speech is that we have to put up with posts or web pages that don't interest us. Some think cat videos are hilarious, others think they're stupid. Freedom of speech is better than censorship.


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Post #42 Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:27 pm 
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Shin's poor results against the other very top players continues: he lost the first game of the 1st Baduk TV cup (Korean domestic) final to Park Junghwan. This is his 6th loss since he last beat Park in February 2018. Strangely his win rate wasn't so bad earlier in his career.

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Post #43 Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:01 pm 
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silviu22 wrote:
So archive.org does take snapshots of web pages at certain times, but they do it only once in a while. So we don't know for sure what was Ke Jie's rating in July 2017. The link you sent claims it was only 3659, but I very much doubt that. I would like to know, but that information seems to be lost.


Regarding KJ's rating, I looked back in his thread and found this: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=221327#p221327. That was after he won 20 straight games. He won two more games before losing to Shi Yue to end his streak, so the 3675 number should be pretty close to his peak rating.

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Post #44 Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 am 
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Park won the 2nd game too (variations from FineArt commentary on Fox).



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Post #45 Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:56 am 
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After Shin Jinseo's 3 losses of from this week, goratings dropped his rating from 3703 to 3688. And then it said it was never higher than 3689. So if you don't write down a player's highest rating, you will not see it again.

So it is quite possible that a player's rating right after the last victory in a long winning streak is 14 points higher than what goratings.org shows its highest ever rating.

This assertion is confirmed in Ke Jie's case:
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Regarding KJ's rating, I looked back in his thread and found this: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=221327#p221327. That was after he won 20 straight games. He won two more games before losing to Shi Yue to end his streak, so the 3675 number should be pretty close to his peak rating.


According to goratings, Ke Jie's rating on July 9, 2017 was 3658, 17 points below what the post indicates (3675).

And for Park Junghwan, his peak seems to have been Feb 7, 2018. goratings.org says now he reached 3670, which means at that time it probably said 3684

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