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Shin Jinseo
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Author:  silviu22 [ Sat Aug 03, 2019 5:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

ewan1971 wrote:
silviu22 wrote:
...it seems to be the only way to know what is the high point achieved by a certain player...

No, it's not the only way; it only seems that way to you. It's widely known that Goratings tracks Elo for individual players. Here are some examples:

Shin Jinseo: https://www.goratings.org/en/players/1313.html


As uberdude said, goratings changes past ratings. If you look at my annoying updates, you will see that on July 21st, Shin Jinseo's rating was 3699 and that it reached 3700 for the 1st time around July 22nd, 2019. I am aware of the link you sent, but the link you posted claims it reached 3700 on May 22nd, which is not correct.

The other link you posted (https://www.goratings.org/en/history/) has the same problem: it doesn't show the exact ratings on that date. And it is possible someone knows the highest rating for Ke Jie. If they do, I would very much like to know.

The closest information that I've seen regarding the high rating for Ke Jie was this:
xiayun wrote:
This has been mentioned before, but both Ke Jie and Park Junghwan had in fact exceed 3670 previously. The WHR algorithm will retroactively update a player's historical rating based on their subsequent performance as a self-correcting mechanism. e.g.

Ke Jie: 3680 on 09/05/2017 - https://web.archive.org/web/20170906033 ... gs.org/en/. His rating was even higher in July of that year when he had the 22-game winning streak.
Park: 3674 on 06/13/2018, https://web.archive.org/web/20180614044 ... gs.org/en/.


So archive.org does take snapshots of web pages at certain times, but they do it only once in a while. So we don't know for sure what was Ke Jie's rating in July 2017. The link you sent claims it was only 3659, but I very much doubt that. I would like to know, but that information seems to be lost.

I don't know whether everybody wants to know Jinseo's highest rating. If they don't, they are more than welcome to ignore my rants. But with the same analysis it seems to me that you also infer nobody else wants to know either. Or that others shouldn't post information you're not interested in. Is this like in high school when only cool kids decides what we should talk about?

The price of free speech is that we have to put up with posts or web pages that don't interest us. Some think cat videos are hilarious, others think they're stupid. Freedom of speech is better than censorship.

Author:  Uberdude [ Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:27 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Shin's poor results against the other very top players continues: he lost the first game of the 1st Baduk TV cup (Korean domestic) final to Park Junghwan. This is his 6th loss since he last beat Park in February 2018. Strangely his win rate wasn't so bad earlier in his career.

Author:  xiayun [ Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

silviu22 wrote:
So archive.org does take snapshots of web pages at certain times, but they do it only once in a while. So we don't know for sure what was Ke Jie's rating in July 2017. The link you sent claims it was only 3659, but I very much doubt that. I would like to know, but that information seems to be lost.


Regarding KJ's rating, I looked back in his thread and found this: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=221327#p221327. That was after he won 20 straight games. He won two more games before losing to Shi Yue to end his streak, so the 3675 number should be pretty close to his peak rating.

Author:  Uberdude [ Wed Aug 07, 2019 6:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Park won the 2nd game too (variations from FineArt commentary on Fox).



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Author:  silviu22 [ Sat Aug 10, 2019 5:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

After Shin Jinseo's 3 losses of from this week, goratings dropped his rating from 3703 to 3688. And then it said it was never higher than 3689. So if you don't write down a player's highest rating, you will not see it again.

So it is quite possible that a player's rating right after the last victory in a long winning streak is 14 points higher than what goratings.org shows its highest ever rating.

This assertion is confirmed in Ke Jie's case:
Quote:
Regarding KJ's rating, I looked back in his thread and found this: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?p=221327#p221327. That was after he won 20 straight games. He won two more games before losing to Shi Yue to end his streak, so the 3675 number should be pretty close to his peak rating.


According to goratings, Ke Jie's rating on July 9, 2017 was 3658, 17 points below what the post indicates (3675).

And for Park Junghwan, his peak seems to have been Feb 7, 2018. goratings.org says now he reached 3670, which means at that time it probably said 3684

Author:  silviu22 [ Fri Dec 20, 2019 3:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Shin Jinseo is having a good december. His team won the Chinese League A (he won both his games in the final). And he defeated Shin Minjun 2-1 in KBS final. As a result, his rating got very close to 3700 again (it's at 3696).

Author:  silviu22 [ Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Shin Jinseo has 12 wins in a row and reached the highest gorating I have ever seen: 2712 (seen on Jan 31, 2020).

Park Junghwan has 11 wins in a row (two against Ke Jie) and he's reached his highest rank ever, too: 2703.

But there are 3 other players with ratings significantly greater than 3600. So there is some ratings inflation.

Ratings for #100:
24 Jan 2020: Piao Wenyao (3341)
13 July 2019: Murakawa Daisuke (3335)
14 June 2018: Chen Xian (3326)
10 June 2017: Shibano Toramaru (3311)
13 July 2016: Ichiriki Ryo (3299)

Author:  silviu22 [ Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:49 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

After defeating his nemesis Park Junghwan in the LG cup final, Shin Jinseo reached 2728 rating. Observed on Feb 16, 2020.

Author:  Gomoto [ Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

2728?

Author:  AloneAgainstAll [ Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

well, not 2728 but 3728 (Silviu dont you study live2700 to often? ;) ), next are Park Junghwan, Ke Jie and Yang Dixin at 3666, 3663 and 3634 repectively (62, 65 and 94 points advantage). Then goes peleton, all below 3600.

Silviu, but if i correctly understand WHR rating system (i might be wrong, just looked at formulas shortly), it is retroactive, so if this rating of 3728 will be adjusted, then it means that system thinks it gave Shin this rating incorrectly and adjustation was needed. Ofc this WHR rating is not perfect (cant be), and its weakness is that it does not take into consideration that player might improve. I guess thats why you note this records right?

According to goratings.org Shin is at 18 wins streak, pretty impressive!One more and he will be level with great Honinbo Shusaku!

Author:  silviu22 [ Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

AloneAgainstAll wrote:
well, not 2728 but 3728 (Silviu dont you study live2700 to often? ;) ), next are Park Junghwan, Ke Jie and Yang Dixin at 3666, 3663 and 3634 repectively (62, 65 and 94 points advantage). Then goes peleton, all below 3600.

Silviu, but if i correctly understand WHR rating system (i might be wrong, just looked at formulas shortly), it is retroactive, so if this rating of 3728 will be adjusted, then it means that system thinks it gave Shin this rating incorrectly and adjustation was needed. Ofc this WHR rating is not perfect (cant be), and its weakness is that it does not take into consideration that player might improve. I guess thats why you note this records right?

According to goratings.org Shin is at 18 wins streak, pretty impressive!One more and he will be level with great Honinbo Shusaku!


Yes, sorry, his rating was 3728 last week, not 2728 :blackeye:. This week Shin won 2 more games and his ranking went up to 3733. AloneAgainstAll: yes, WHR will retroactively change rankings, which is why I keep track of them. Should Shin Jinseo lose 2-3 games in a row, the algorithm will go back and change Shin's past rankings. So it might then say Shin Jinseo never got above 3710 or 3700. I post the updates here so they don't get lost. I also save the page on my computer. :)

According to go4go, Shin Jinseo won 21 games in a row, last loss was on Nov 25, 2019 vs Yang Dingxin in Nongshin cup. I think Ke Jie got a 20-something game winning streak a few years ago, but I wasn't watching this too closely back then, so I don't really know how many they were or what was Ke Jie's top ranking when this happened. I don't know how a 21-game winning streak stacks against records from other players.

In any case, Shin Jinseo's LG cup win was pretty impressive, since he defeated Mi Yuting, Ke Jie and Park Junghwan to win the title (players ranked 2-4 in the world). I believe that might cure him of the inferiority complex vs these two players.

Author:  AloneAgainstAll [ Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:00 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

22th win in a row for Shin Jinseo pumped up his WHR rating to 3736!

Also i have no idea how i could miss Mi Yuting in rating chart, so now top5 looks like it:
1. Shin Jinseo 3736
2. Ke Jie 3664
3. Park Junghwan 3662
4. Mi Yuting 3653
5. Yang Dingxin 3635 ( 101 points less than leader!), after that goes peleton of players below 3600.

Author:  Kirby [ Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Still hard for me to take Shin Jinseo seriously - he doesn't have the same feeling to me as someone like Lee Sedol or Ke Jie does. Maybe it's because Lee Sedol is closer to my age or something.

I guess if Shin Jinseo keeps it up, I should reassess.

Author:  dust [ Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:03 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Kirby wrote:
Still hard for me to take Shin Jinseo seriously - he doesn't have the same feeling to me as someone like Lee Sedol or Ke Jie does. Maybe it's because Lee Sedol is closer to my age or something.

I guess if Shin Jinseo keeps it up, I should reassess.


This might be the most off-beam thing I've ever read on this forum. I tactfully and gently suggest you might want to question your own judgement and seat of authority.

Author:  Kirby [ Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

I have no authority- except over who I’m personally a fan of. Maybe my wording was bad. He’s an awesomely strong player, just like other pros. He just hasn’t hit the same category as eg. Lee Sedol in my mind, even if he has great ratings...

I sincerely mean no offense by this - just a feeling I have. Obviously, it’s only my opinion.

Maybe it’s similar to saying that I’m more of a Michael Jordan fan than a LeBron James fan - no offense made to LeBron. He’s awesome at basketball.

Author:  lichigo [ Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Shin jinseo won 25 games in a row, he did same than his previous record. Unfortunately with the virus these days he is playing only korean players so we cannot say he has the best opponent all the time but we can count 2 wins in a row against Park jungwhan in the LG cup final ( he still has a bad record against him). But anyway 25 wins in a row it is incredible!!!

Author:  BadukDoctor [ Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

The game review for Shin Jinseo's 24th win ;)
https://youtu.be/oz4It_ulsoo

Author:  BadukDoctor [ Wed Mar 04, 2020 5:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Game review for Shin Jinseo's 25th consecutive win
https://youtu.be/md7smtTN5o8

Author:  lichigo [ Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

And 27 wins in a row, I believe the best win in a row is lee changho with 41^^ dear badukdoctor, I am a big fan of Lee changho so hope to see wonderful endgame moves from him. The game against ma xiaochun was wonderful.

Author:  BadukDoctor [ Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:02 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Shin Jinseo

Game Review for his 26th win
[Pro Match] Shin Jinseo is dominating! (Korean Championship for the Best Player)
https://youtu.be/sLZK758BhhU

By the way, I am betting 30.
40 wins are almost impossible :razz: :razz:

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