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Post #1 Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 7:37 am 
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Guys,

checking players of the XXth century, that thing I mentioned about people born around the 30s, I found a game between Kikuchi Yasuro (a very good amateur) and... Go Seigen? Could anyone confirm?

The website is here and the game is...



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Post #2 Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 9:14 am 
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Yes, this game is in the GoGoD database. 1971-01-00aa.sgf :)

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Post #3 Posted: Wed May 06, 2020 10:46 am 
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Bill Spight wrote:
Yes, this game is in the GoGoD database. 1971-01-00aa.sgf :)



Oh, thanks. I have a 2012 version. I'd have thought old games had already filtered into online databases.

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Post #4 Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 7:29 pm 
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菊池康郎 used to be the strongest amateur in Japan. He used to win Amateur Maijin or Honinbo every year. And winner of this tournament were allowed to play a game with one of top professional.

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Post #5 Posted: Mon May 11, 2020 1:09 am 
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菊池康郎 used to be the strongest amateur in Japan. He used to win Amateur Maijin or Honinbo every year. And winner of this tournament were allowed to play a game with one of top professional.


I was aware of the general idea behind the Ama Meijin & Honinbo, I wasn't aware of this player's... ubiquity?

Still, what I found quirky was Go Seigen's name in there. I was looking for second line players and... Well, seeing the brief of a kifu read Go Seigen vs so-so Ama... kinda raises a flag. Or two.

Do you happen to know if Go Seigen joined in those games with Ama? Not being part of the Kiin makes me wonder.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:40 am 
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The term "professional" does not imply greater strength than any amateur. In CJK go countries there are many cases of amateurs defeating pros in serious games. Kikuchi is well known as being at least professional mid-dan level strength. In fact he has trained professionals, e.g. Yamashita Keigo, who has won numerous titles in Japan.

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Post #7 Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:42 am 
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The term "professional" does not imply greater strength than any amateur. In CJK go countries there are many cases of amateurs defeating pros in serious games. Kikuchi is well known as being at least professional mid-dan level strength. In fact he has trained professionals, e.g. Yamashita Keigo, who has won numerous titles in Japan.


Granted and known. And yet, "Go Seigen vs Ama" kinda has a ring to it.

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Post #8 Posted: Fri May 15, 2020 6:52 am 
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See this post from JF regarding Kikuchi.

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