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Post #1 Posted: Sun May 23, 2021 3:07 pm 
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A new event has been announced in Japan. Called the New Ryusei, it will be sponsored by the Igo/Shogi Channel for premium subscribers.

It will be a KO with 32 players, leading to a best-of-three final. The participants will be 16 players from Ryusei final section, 8 past Ryusei champions, 6 players from winners and runners-up of 2020 women's events and/or past Women's Kisei winners, 2 recommendees by the Igo/Shogi Channel. Where more than the specified number of qualifiers exist, the most recent will be invited.

It looks like Sumire gets in as a recommendee but she is slated to play Iyama Yuta in Round 1. It starts on 27 May 2021.

Time limits are 1 minute per move with 5 seconds Fischer timing increments. Even the announcement describes this as "super-fast with no time to breathe", so it is clearly a Mickey Mouse event. However, and it's a big however, these will not be classed as official games for promotions, and the declared intent is to produce spectacular upsets as exhibition games for the premium audience.

When Donald Duck was asked for his opinion, he said went cross-eyed and said "QuAAAAck". Goofy looked goofy but wagged his tail. If Sumire beats Iyama, expect all the organisers to wag their tails, too, with their eyeballs out on stalks. Buy your shares in I/SC now!


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Post #2 Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 2:06 am 
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I don't think that I quite understand that time control, isn't it more Speedy Gonzales?

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Post #3 Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 2:16 am 
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Sorry. I was on auto-pilot. I'm so used to writing "minute a move" in other games. It's just "1 minute each" plus 5s increments.

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Post #4 Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 2:47 pm 
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Great.

First I learn about MM, now I see it in practice.

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If Sumire beats Iyama... :shock:
Let the Hype begin!


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Post #5 Posted: Mon May 24, 2021 4:22 pm 
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Sounds fun for members but not something that's going to provide entertainment for me in the US. I won't be able to watch it and even if I could, surely the normal game commentary that I enjoy won't be able to happen with such short time controls. Anyway, more Go is good.

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Post #6 Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:35 pm 
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When will this event take place?

And, for not premium members, will the games be available in go4go, or something like that?

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Post #7 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 8:20 pm 
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pajaro wrote:
Great.

First I learn about MM, now I see it in practice.

:tmbup:

If Sumire beats Iyama... :shock:
Let the Hype begin!


I know I'm a bit late, but I think it's more likely that a different pro would do well in this type of tournament. Regarding international tournaments, I think Ueno Asami has qualified for the Globis Cup at least one time before now. Now's she's done rather well. Regarding domestic tournaments, Ueno 4p (3p at the time I think) was a finalist in the ryusei. In quite early on she struck me as quite a speed demon, if you will--I don't know what the results of this tournament is so far but I would not be surprised if she beays a few formidable opponents over the years or even wins it my intuition and mamumamu's old growth-rate charts says her growth is faster than Fujisawa Rina's. I'll check mamumamu's new chart to see if that's true.

On the other hand, this seems to be the sort of tourment that Nakamure Sumire would be weaker at in terms of domestic titles I think Nakamure 2p would do better in the Kisei, Meijin Honinbo, tournaments with more time, and again internationally Nakamure Sumire would do better in the major international tournaments than you would expect from her performance in the Globis Cup . . .

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Post #8 Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:39 pm 
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The first round was supposed to have been played about one month ago, can I find the results anywhere? Has the 2nd round already been played as well?

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Post #9 Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2021 11:11 pm 
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pajaro wrote:
If Sumire beats Iyama... :shock:
Let the Hype begin!


Well... this game has already happened (22/9). Iyama won, I don't know how was the match, but at least, we already have the first official game between Iyama and Sumire.

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 3:15 am 
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First, my apologies for the new thread on this. If any mod wants to erase that one, feel free.

Second, I couldn't find the sgf for the game with Cho Chikun, so I transcribed it. Black 61 and 63 seem to be key. I don't THINK I made... er... kept any mistakes, so, if you're so inclined, feel free to use it elsewhere.

Take care.

PS: I checked something with my phone. With 30sec reading time and using a human flavoured AI, after some hundred iterations and 20+ depth, those two questionable moves... are the preferred option.



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Post #11 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:06 am 
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Hm... is there any reason to Black 119 besides timesuji? My phone AI likes it, but I'd have said extending towards M13 or something similar would be more useful...

Also, while I'm at it... This is something that pops up often when I try to understand games. B 101 in the (3,2) corner. As far as I can understand that, the difference between B and W playing there first is about 10 points. Either one makes 4-6 points in the corner and the opponent loses same. Can I understand that the value of previous moves up to that point was above that? Sure, sometimes there are cascading effects of a move and all that. In general terms, I mean.

Thanks, take care.

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:52 am 
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Ferran wrote:
is there any reason to Black 119?


To capture the two stones J13 and thus secure the group J11?

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Post #13 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:09 am 
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jlt wrote:
To capture the two stones J13 and thus secure the group J11?


Well, yes, it gives White a choice between J13 and G11. But, is reaching towards to top really that bad an idea? Am I overcomplicating things?

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Post #14 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:50 am 
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Your idea also looks fine to me.


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