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Post #1 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:02 pm 
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https://ssl.nihonkiin.or.jp/37th-kisei/
http://kisei.yomiuri.co.jp/

Cho U vs Iyama Yuta will start playing game 1 Thursday (Wednesday evening for US) in Okinawa.

$500k to the winner of the series. I'm looking forward to this matchup.

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Post #2 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:17 pm 
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Iyama currently holds 5 of the big 7 Japanese titles (Honinbo, Tengen, Oza, Gosei, Judan). I wonder if he can make it all 7. I know Cho Chikun has won all 7, but has anyone ever held them simultaneously?

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Post #3 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:21 pm 
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Uberdude, I don't think anyone has held all 7. It's rare that anyone has held the big 3 at the same time. Cho U is playing to keep the Kisei for a fourth straight term and Iyama for the chance to have six of the seven major titles.

Here was the match to decide the challenger to Cho U.


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Post #4 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
I know Cho Chikun has won all 7, but has anyone ever held them simultaneously?
No one has ever done so.

In fact, Cho Chikun is the only one to have ever held the top three titles (Kisei, Meijin, Honinbo) simultaneously.

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Post #5 Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:30 pm 
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lemmata wrote:
Uberdude wrote:
I know Cho Chikun has won all 7, but has anyone ever held them simultaneously?
No one has ever done so.

In fact, Cho Chikun is the only one to have ever held the top three titles (Kisei, Meijin, Honinbo) simultaneously.



That would be the Grand Slam of Go!

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Post #6 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:20 pm 
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Post #7 Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:58 pm 
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wbaduk has it live.

This page shows the moves.

http://118.151.176.73/kisei.yomi/kisei/ ... 7ban01.htm

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Post #8 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 12:07 pm 
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Time used in the first day

Cho U: 2:45
Iyama Yuta: 4:45

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Post #9 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 5:58 pm 
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Uberdude wrote:
I know Cho Chikun has won all 7, but has anyone ever held them simultaneously?


Cho U also had the grand slam, but not all at one time.

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Post #10 Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 8:01 pm 
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Can anyone explain to me what b93 accomplishes in the challenger match? Its that slow type of honte move that pros play that I never quite grasp the meaning behind it.

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Post #11 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:19 am 
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Post #12 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:37 am 
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How to read the result on Wbaduk? I watched the whole game and still doesn't know who won...

W+5.5

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Post #13 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:39 am 
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Can anyone explain to me what b93 accomplishes in the challenger match? Its that slow type of honte move that pros play that I never quite grasp the meaning behind it.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?HaneAtTheHeadOfTwoStones

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Post #14 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:18 am 
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Can anyone explain to me what b93 accomplishes in the challenger match? Its that slow type of honte move that pros play that I never quite grasp the meaning behind it.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?HaneAtTheHeadOfTwoStones

What? That move is not hane at the head of two stones - its kosumi at the head of two stones, which is not a proverb I've ever heard of :lol:

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Post #15 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 7:28 am 
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JuicesGo wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what b93 accomplishes in the challenger match? Its that slow type of honte move that pros play that I never quite grasp the meaning behind it.

http://senseis.xmp.net/?HaneAtTheHeadOfTwoStones

What? That move is not hane at the head of two stones - its kosumi at the head of two stones, which is not a proverb I've ever heard of :lol:

b93 is hane for sure if my eyes aren't wrong.

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Post #16 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:08 am 
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b93 is hane for sure if my eyes aren't wrong.


Your eyes are definitely wrong (or you're looking at the wrong move) - see the definition for hane http://senseis.xmp.net/?Hane

The important part of the definition is bending around your opponent's stones.

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Post #17 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:26 am 
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b93 is hane for sure if my eyes aren't wrong.


Your eyes are definitely wrong (or you're looking at the wrong move) - see the definition for hane http://senseis.xmp.net/?Hane

The important part of the definition is bending around your opponent's stones.


Sometimes it is best to look for the source of miscommunication, instead of just being right. B93 in the title match game looks to be hane at the end of two stones. The original question, however, is about the b93 in the challenger match game. It looks like lovelove's eyes are fine, and he is not looking at the wrong move, he is looking at the wrong game.

b93 in the challenger's game looks like a wonderfully thick move to me. It limits white's endgame on the left, more importantly it makes it harder for white to seal black in because of the weak group on the lower left. In fact, it further weakens it enough that white essentially treats it as sente and reaches out to the group with his next two moves.

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Post #18 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:13 am 
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HKA wrote:
Sometimes it is best to look for the source of miscommunication, instead of just being right.

Oh, if we could all be so careful :)

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Post #19 Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 3:13 pm 
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handa711 wrote:
How to read the result on Wbaduk? I watched the whole game and still doesn't know who won...

W+5.5

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Post #20 Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:36 pm 
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Game 2 starts in about three and a half hours. I think Cho U really needs to take this one.

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