It is currently Thu Mar 28, 2024 1:01 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

What should we use as a SGF viewer?
Flash Goban(Currently used) 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Eidogo 81%  81%  [ 34 ]
Both 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Other 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Total votes : 42
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #21 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 pm 
Lives in sente
User avatar

Posts: 1072
Location: Stratford-upon-Avon, England
Liked others: 33
Was liked: 72
Rank: 5K KGS
GD Posts: 1165
KGS: Dogen
FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

_________________
My blog about Macs and more: Kirkville

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #22 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:55 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
yoyoma wrote:
I like full better, especially for the variation tree. Also more room to see sgf comments.

Yeah, I think I'm going to leave both as an option. I like the full version myself, but it does take up a lot of room.

kirkmc wrote:
FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

*tents fingers* Excellent...

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #23 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:57 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 242
Location: Pa, Va
Liked others: 15
Was liked: 64
Rank: KGS 4 Kyu
GD Posts: 2067
KGS: mgd
DGS: mdobbins
kirkmc wrote:
FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

Droid likes... 8-)

_________________
Michael Dobbins; Dragon: mdobbins, KGS: mgd, AGA#: 4253,
My Website

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #24 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:00 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Indeed, Droid does (that was one I did check)!

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #25 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:10 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
Doesn't work for the optional Opera iphone application. You can see the variations tree, but not the board itself.

It does work, however, on the default Safari iphone browser.

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #26 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:25 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Hmm, don't know if I'll be able to debug Opera for the iPhone. :? Any users of a non-phone version of Opera having any trouble?

Actually, I just realized that I'm using my enhanced version of EidoGo which has some compatibility issues with IE6. But IE6 users are a pox on the whole of the internets, so they can eat me. :twisted:

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #27 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:27 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 2060
Location: Texas
Liked others: 546
Was liked: 173
Rank: KGS 3k
GD Posts: 264
KGS: Chew
I actually had to upgrade from IE6 at work, just for purposes of viewing here... heh.

_________________
Someday I want to be strong enough to earn KGS[-].

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #28 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:15 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 295
Location: Linz, Austria
Liked others: 21
Was liked: 44
Rank: EGF 4 kyu
GD Posts: 627
Working fine on Maemo (N900).

As you have it now, the poster can decide whether to use the small or the large version. Would it be possible to let the viewer decide which version to use? Something like a setting in the user control panel, switching between eidogo small and large (and perhaps even flash)... That way, everyone could use what works best for him.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #29 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:32 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
@flOvermind: That would actually be pretty complicated. Right now, it uses BBcodes which are restricted to a very simple search and replace. It replaces this:
Code:
[eidogo](SGF_DATA)[/eidogo]

with this:
Code:
<iframe src="/eidogo-phpbb3/iframe-player.html" style="width: 423px; height: 621px; border: 0; overflow: hidden;"></iframe>
<pre style="display: none;" class="eidogo-compact">(SGF_DATA)</pre>

Having it replace conditionally based on a viewer preference would involve writing some actually modifications to the forum software, which would be pretty complicated and would make it harder to maintain the forum (e.g. doing upgrades for security fixes and whatnot).

So while I can't say that it's impossible, it would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #30 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:37 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 295
Location: Linz, Austria
Liked others: 21
Was liked: 44
Rank: EGF 4 kyu
GD Posts: 627
Ok. I must confess I don't know anything about phpBB, so I don't know how extensible it is. If you need to modify the forum software to do it, then it probably isn't a good idea ;)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #31 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:26 am 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
If everyone is happy with how EidoGo is working at this point and no major problems have presented themselves, would anyone have a problem if I moved it to the "sgf" tag (and sgf-full and sgf-problem) at this point?

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #32 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:32 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 251
Location: Waterloo, Ontario (Canada)
Liked others: 110
Was liked: 155
Rank: AGA 1k
GD Posts: 1190
KGS: apetresc
IGS: apetresc
OGS: apetresc
Universal go server handle: apetresc
fwiffo wrote:
If everyone is happy with how EidoGo is working at this point and no major problems have presented themselves, would anyone have a problem if I moved it to the "sgf" tag (and sgf-full and sgf-problem) at this point?


I vote for doing this. The sooner we make it the de-facto standard, the fewer stale Flash applets we'll have hanging around for perpetuity.

_________________
The road to wisdom? Well, it's plain, and simple to express: Err, and err, and err again; but less, and less, and less!
Image Image Image Image

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #33 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:39 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 299
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 17
Rank: KGS 10k DGS 8k
GD Posts: 396
I vote for that too.

Is there a simple way to navigate between variations with Eidogo (using keyboard) ?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #34 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:26 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Posts: 1125
Location: Allegan, MI, USA
Liked others: 18
Was liked: 121
Rank: KGS 9k
Universal go server handle: Jordus
Eidogo can bow be used with sgf tags.
Eidogo-full and eidogo-problem are still the same. Should they be switched to sgf-full sgf-problem or is this ok?

FlashGoban is still available using goban tags.

_________________
I'm thinking...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #35 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:38 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
Yeah, I think they should be the same for consistency (I went ahead and changed them).

@Tryphon: You can navigate EidoGo with the arrow keys (assuming it has focus). Left and Right go backward and forward as expected. Up and Down go to the beginning and end respectively.

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #36 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:12 pm 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 299
Liked others: 49
Was liked: 17
Rank: KGS 10k DGS 8k
GD Posts: 396
No key for going from a node to another in the variation tree ? (like up and down in the KGS client)

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #37 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:27 pm 
Gosei
User avatar

Posts: 1435
Location: California
Liked others: 53
Was liked: 171
Rank: Out of practice
GD Posts: 1104
KGS: fwiffo
There isn't an exact analog to that, but you can press the appropriate alphanumeric that corresponds to the label on the board or its variation number (which should also display on the board). E.g. if you hit 2ddb11 on eidogo.com you'll find yourself navigating the avalanche joseki. :D

_________________
KGS 4 kyu - Game Archive - Keyboard Otaku

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #38 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:03 pm 
Honinbo

Posts: 10905
Liked others: 3651
Was liked: 3374
I voted for Flash Goban. Not because It is any great shakes, but because Eidogo seems to suck.

For instance, I am now unable to play the variations in the SGF file I posted on the Boundary play mathematics thread. In addition, it does not seem possible for a reader of the note to download or otherwise access the file. Also, it is possible to pass, and perhaps otherwise make plays, which leaves the display in a state from which it seems impossible to return to the original condition easily. :(

_________________
The Adkins Principle:
At some point, doesn't thinking have to go on?
— Winona Adkins

Visualize whirled peas.

Everything with love. Stay safe.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #39 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:08 pm 
Site Admin
User avatar

Posts: 1125
Location: Allegan, MI, USA
Liked others: 18
Was liked: 121
Rank: KGS 9k
Universal go server handle: Jordus
Bill Spight wrote:
I voted for Flash Goban. Not because It is any great shakes, but because Eidogo seems to suck.

For instance, I am now unable to play the variations in the SGF file I posted on the Boundary play mathematics thread. In addition, it does not seem possible for a reader of the note to download or otherwise access the file. Also, it is possible to pass, and perhaps otherwise make plays, which leaves the display in a state from which it seems impossible to return to the original condition easily. :(


flash is still available using
Code:
[goban]sgftext[/goban]

_________________
I'm thinking...

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: SGF VIEWER FLASHGOBAN Or EIDOGO
Post #40 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:17 pm 
Dies in gote

Posts: 43
Liked others: 4
Was liked: 22
Wouldn't it make more sense for the reader to choose a display of preference, instead of the poster?

_________________
Go programmer and researcher: http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/go/
EGF 1921, KGS ~1d and getting weaker

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 87 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group