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What should we use as a SGF viewer?
Flash Goban(Currently used) 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
Eidogo 83%  83%  [ 34 ]
Both 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Other 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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Post #21 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:37 pm 
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FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

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Post #22 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:55 pm 
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yoyoma wrote:
I like full better, especially for the variation tree. Also more room to see sgf comments.

Yeah, I think I'm going to leave both as an option. I like the full version myself, but it does take up a lot of room.

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FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

*tents fingers* Excellent...

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Post #23 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:57 pm 
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kirkmc wrote:
FWIW, EidoGo displays fine on my iPad.

Droid likes... 8-)

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Post #24 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:00 pm 
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Indeed, Droid does (that was one I did check)!

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Post #25 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:10 pm 
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Doesn't work for the optional Opera iphone application. You can see the variations tree, but not the board itself.

It does work, however, on the default Safari iphone browser.

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:25 pm 
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Hmm, don't know if I'll be able to debug Opera for the iPhone. :? Any users of a non-phone version of Opera having any trouble?

Actually, I just realized that I'm using my enhanced version of EidoGo which has some compatibility issues with IE6. But IE6 users are a pox on the whole of the internets, so they can eat me. :twisted:

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Post #27 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:27 pm 
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I actually had to upgrade from IE6 at work, just for purposes of viewing here... heh.

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Post #28 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:15 pm 
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Working fine on Maemo (N900).

As you have it now, the poster can decide whether to use the small or the large version. Would it be possible to let the viewer decide which version to use? Something like a setting in the user control panel, switching between eidogo small and large (and perhaps even flash)... That way, everyone could use what works best for him.

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Post #29 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:32 pm 
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@flOvermind: That would actually be pretty complicated. Right now, it uses BBcodes which are restricted to a very simple search and replace. It replaces this:
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[eidogo](SGF_DATA)[/eidogo]

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<iframe src="/eidogo-phpbb3/iframe-player.html" style="width: 423px; height: 621px; border: 0; overflow: hidden;"></iframe>
<pre style="display: none;" class="eidogo-compact">(SGF_DATA)</pre>

Having it replace conditionally based on a viewer preference would involve writing some actually modifications to the forum software, which would be pretty complicated and would make it harder to maintain the forum (e.g. doing upgrades for security fixes and whatnot).

So while I can't say that it's impossible, it would probably be more trouble than it's worth.

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Post #30 Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:37 pm 
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Ok. I must confess I don't know anything about phpBB, so I don't know how extensible it is. If you need to modify the forum software to do it, then it probably isn't a good idea ;)

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Post #31 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:26 am 
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If everyone is happy with how EidoGo is working at this point and no major problems have presented themselves, would anyone have a problem if I moved it to the "sgf" tag (and sgf-full and sgf-problem) at this point?

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fwiffo wrote:
If everyone is happy with how EidoGo is working at this point and no major problems have presented themselves, would anyone have a problem if I moved it to the "sgf" tag (and sgf-full and sgf-problem) at this point?


I vote for doing this. The sooner we make it the de-facto standard, the fewer stale Flash applets we'll have hanging around for perpetuity.

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Post #33 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 9:39 am 
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I vote for that too.

Is there a simple way to navigate between variations with Eidogo (using keyboard) ?

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Eidogo can bow be used with sgf tags.
Eidogo-full and eidogo-problem are still the same. Should they be switched to sgf-full sgf-problem or is this ok?

FlashGoban is still available using goban tags.

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Post #35 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:38 pm 
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Yeah, I think they should be the same for consistency (I went ahead and changed them).

@Tryphon: You can navigate EidoGo with the arrow keys (assuming it has focus). Left and Right go backward and forward as expected. Up and Down go to the beginning and end respectively.

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No key for going from a node to another in the variation tree ? (like up and down in the KGS client)

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Post #37 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:27 pm 
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There isn't an exact analog to that, but you can press the appropriate alphanumeric that corresponds to the label on the board or its variation number (which should also display on the board). E.g. if you hit 2ddb11 on eidogo.com you'll find yourself navigating the avalanche joseki. :D

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Post #38 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:03 pm 
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I voted for Flash Goban. Not because It is any great shakes, but because Eidogo seems to suck.

For instance, I am now unable to play the variations in the SGF file I posted on the Boundary play mathematics thread. In addition, it does not seem possible for a reader of the note to download or otherwise access the file. Also, it is possible to pass, and perhaps otherwise make plays, which leaves the display in a state from which it seems impossible to return to the original condition easily. :(

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Bill Spight wrote:
I voted for Flash Goban. Not because It is any great shakes, but because Eidogo seems to suck.

For instance, I am now unable to play the variations in the SGF file I posted on the Boundary play mathematics thread. In addition, it does not seem possible for a reader of the note to download or otherwise access the file. Also, it is possible to pass, and perhaps otherwise make plays, which leaves the display in a state from which it seems impossible to return to the original condition easily. :(


flash is still available using
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[goban]sgftext[/goban]

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Post #40 Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:17 pm 
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Wouldn't it make more sense for the reader to choose a display of preference, instead of the poster?

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