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Post #1 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:00 pm 
Gosei
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[go]$$B
$$ +----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 4 1 . . 5 . . . .
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


My DB doesn't have :w8: , so I assume it's a mistake. What's the best move for black?

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[go]$$Bm What I played in the game
$$ +----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . , .
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


This is what I played, to steal the eye, but now I don't want to take gote to keep that stone alive.

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:01 pm 
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Maybe you just extend along the side like if white had played your :b1: move like he was supposed to first and treat this exchange lightly cause it already kind of cramps him?

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:11 pm 
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emeraldemon wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$B
$$ +----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 8 7 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 4 1 . . 5 . . . .
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


My DB doesn't have :w8: , so I assume it's a mistake. What's the best move for black?

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm What I played in the game
$$ +----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . , .
$$ | . 1 . O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]


This is what I played, to steal the eye, but now I don't want to take gote to keep that stone alive.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bm What I played in the game
$$ +----------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . .
$$ | . . O X . . X . . . .
$$ | . 2 . O . . . . . , .
$$ | . 1 3 O . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , .
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . .[/go]

You think 1 is sente but 3 is gote? :scratch:

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:26 pm 
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Whoops, I got convinced too.

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:29 pm 
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Thanks ez4u, I was only thinking of connecting directly. Do you think that with your :b3: it is a good result for black? Is there a better move?

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 6:45 pm 
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emeraldemon wrote:
Thanks ez4u, I was only thinking of connecting directly. Do you think that with your :b3: it is a good result for black? Is there a better move?

This is a good result and is the standard explanation for why White can't descend immediately at 8 in your original diagram. Your decision to slide into the corner was good. :tmbup:

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