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 Post subject: Fuseki Study with ELF
Post #1 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:21 pm 
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Let us have a look at my nemesis.


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Post #2 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:24 pm 
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White should be good in this fuseki:


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Post #3 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:28 pm 
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White should continue to build:


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Post #4 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:32 pm 
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If white decides to split, he should not add a second stone! There is no good option for white on the lower left side on this board! (If white insists on splitting he should choose C11 instead anyways.)


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Post #5 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:35 pm 
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A possible option is to enter the corner immediatly. One should now the next moves after D17:


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Post #6 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:38 pm 
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This is a great idea, but I would feel more confident if both of the top two options had at least 10k rollouts. :)

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Post #7 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:40 pm 
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Variation 1 (Black blocks at D16):
(Notice ELF thinks the game is now even.)


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Post #8 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:43 pm 
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Variation 2 (Black blocks at C17)


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Post #9 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:46 pm 
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Variation 3
(I moved the splitting stone to C11 in this one)


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Post #10 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:49 pm 
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Possible continuation, (notice game is even again):


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Post #11 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:51 pm 
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I struggle against this kind of fusekis in real life tournaments and against my local go friends.

It is not easy to play against the two space extension in the upper left corner. (I think Alpha Go realized this also ;-) )

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Post #12 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:56 pm 
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Perhaps this is a better place to enter the 2 space corner:


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Post #13 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 2:58 pm 
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Something like this:


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Post #14 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:01 pm 
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or this ... and the game is even again.


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Post #15 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2018 3:06 pm 
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Let us try something completly different:

(This is also possible without splitting. With and without splitting it is probably the better option than entering the corner directly)

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A shoulderhit at K16 is also a good option.

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