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Author:  Gomoto [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:17 pm ]
Post subject:  What do you think of this joseki?

In this joseki a and b are the common moves. What about c?

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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ , . X a . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . . X O b . . |
$$ . . . . . . c . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


continuation:

Hane Yasumasa 9p - Sakai Isao 6p, W+3.5 (Komi 5.5)
28th Japanese Okan, round 2, 1987-02-12

Hane Yasumasa 9p - Sakai Isao 6p, W+3.5 (Komi 5.5)
28th Japanese Okan, round 2, 1987-02-12


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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 3 . . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ , . X . . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


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[go]$$W
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . 3 6 . |
$$ . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ , . X . . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . 2 X O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . 1 . 4 . |
$$ . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


the move I am interested in arises in this position (variation):
(e and d are the common moves, but what about the marked one)?

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[go]$$B
$$ --------------------+
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . e . . . O O X . |
$$ . . . d . O . . X . |
$$ , . X W . O X X . . |
$$ . . . . X X O . . . |
$$ . . . . . . O . X . |
$$ . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ , . . . . . , . . . |[/go]


This is LZ`s opinion:
Attachment:
check1.JPG
check1.JPG [ 173.13 KiB | Viewed 693 times ]


What is your take on the marked move?
Is the move at c (in the first diagram) therefore an interesting choice in this joseki?

Author:  macelee [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:35 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

Cannot comment technically. However this move appears once recently in a professional game.


Author:  Gomoto [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 4:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

Ah, thanks! I should integrate your recent go4go mails in my database! :D

So it is at least a playable move :tmbup:

Author:  ez4u [ Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

Gomoto wrote:
...

So it is at least a playable move :tmbup:

So what is Lizzie showing after say B45 in the game above?

Author:  Gomoto [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 5 8 . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  Gomoto [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X O . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . X O O . . . , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O . X . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  Gomoto [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

alternative position:

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[go]$$B
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O X X . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Author:  Gomoto [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 5:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

I am looking forward to try this (move c) at home ;-)

Author:  Elom [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 9:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

Gomoto wrote:
I am looking forward to try this (move c) at home ;-)


It looked to me on first glance like on of those complicated fighting variations that say, 'Pro level only. Do not try at home' :lol:.

Author:  Gomoto [ Fri Jan 25, 2019 10:56 am ]
Post subject:  Re: What do you think of this joseki?

While I avoided fighting in the past like the plague,
I dont miss a brawl in these days.

That is what they call overconfidence probably :D

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