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 Post subject: Life and death in an old handicap game
Post #1 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 4:59 am 
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This is Iwamoto giving Francis Roads seven stones back in 1975. Black lost a big group at top left but nearly made up for it at the bottom. Here is the final nail in the coffin:

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[go]$$Bc Position after move 147 (variation): Black to play
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O X X . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O . O O X O X X X X O . O . O X X . |
$$ | X X O . . X O X O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O . O X . X X X . |
$$ | X X X X O X X O . . . . . X . . . O . |
$$ | O O O X O X O X X . X . X . . O X X O |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . O . . . O . |
$$ | . X X . . . . O O O . O . . . O O . . |
$$ | . O X . X X X . X . O X O O . . X X . |
$$ | . O . X X O . . . X X X . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . O O O O X . . . . . . . W W . |
$$ | . . O . X O X X . . . . . . . W X X . |
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . W X . |
$$ | . O O O . X . . . . . . . . W . W W X |
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . X X X W . . X . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


Black to play and do something about the marked white group. (The S1-R2 exchange didn't actually happen in the game; I've added those stones to reduce distractions.)

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Post #2 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 5:52 am 
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I guess protect and make ko?

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 9:45 am 
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I think it is like this...
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[go]$$B
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O X X . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | O O . O O X O X X X X O . O . O X X .|
$$ | X X O . . X O X O X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O . O X . X X X .|
$$ | X X X X O X X O . . . . . X . . . O .|
$$ | O O O X O X O X X . X . X . . O X X O|
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . O . . . O .|
$$ | . X X . . . . O O O . O . . . O O . .|
$$ | . O X . X X X . X . O X O O . . X X .|
$$ | . O . X X O . . . X X X . X X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . O O O O X . . . . . . . O O .|
$$ | . . O . X O X X . . . . . . . O X X 2|
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . 5 1 O X 4|
$$ | . O O O . X . . . . . . . . O 3 O O X|
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . X .|
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . . O X X X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . O X .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$W Only one eye
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O X X . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | O O . O O X O X X X X O . O . O X X .|
$$ | X X O . . X O X O X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O . O X . X X X .|
$$ | X X X X O X X O . . . . . X . . . O .|
$$ | O O O X O X O X X . X . X . . O X X O|
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . O . . . O .|
$$ | . X X . . . . O O O . O . . . O O . .|
$$ | . O X . X X X . X . O X O O . . X X .|
$$ | . O . X X O . . . X X X 4 X X X . 6 5|
$$ | . . . . O O O O X . . . . . . 8 O O .|
$$ | . . O . X O X X . . . . . 3 1 O . 7 O|
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . 2 X X O . O|
$$ | . O O O . X . . . . . . . . O X O O X|
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . X .|
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . . O X X X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . O X .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$W No escape but black has to be careful
$$ +--------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . O X X . . . O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | O O . O O X O X X X X O . O . O X X .|
$$ | X X O . . X O X O X O . . . . . . . .|
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O . O X . X X X .|
$$ | X X X X O X X O . . . . . X . . . O .|
$$ | O O O X O X O X X . X . X . . O X X O|
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . O . . . O .|
$$ | . X X . . . . O O O . O . . . O O . .|
$$ | . O X . X X X . X . O X O O . . X X .|
$$ | . O . X X O . . . X X X . X X X . . .|
$$ | . . . . O O O O X . . . . . . 2 O O .|
$$ | . . O . X O X X . . . . . . 3 O X X .|
$$ | . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . X O X 4|
$$ | . O O O . X . . . . . . . . O 1 O O X|
$$ | . X X . . . . . . . . X X X O . . X .|
$$ | . . . X . X . . . X . . . O X X X . .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O . O X .|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . O O O X|
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X .|
$$ +--------------------------------------+[/go]


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Post #4 Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 3:17 pm 
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Knotwilg wrote:
I guess protect and make ko?

That's what happened in the game, and probably what I would have done too. Black wins the ko but loses the game decisively: white has multiple large ko threats to break into the bottom left area.

kvasir wrote:
I think it is like this...

Yes, that's the best move :-)

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