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Post #1 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 3:54 am 
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Today I decided to revive an aji corner stone and it worked out quite well leaving me with this position:



I could have made a Weak Carpenter's Square with one leg at C4 (as far as I know that shape turns out as seki?) but decided to play 2-2 for unconditional life with points. It worked in the game, but I wonder whether it really is alive.

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:02 am 
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It is alive after the 2-2. Answer A4 with B3.

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:06 am 
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Thanks for your fast answer. I wasn't sure if I had read out all variations and anxiously returned later in the game to spend another move. :oops:

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:19 am 
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For fun I tried to kill your shape ( W moving first ) and I found this sequence:
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[go]$$Wc next a&b are miai
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O . . .
$$ | . X 2 , O . .
$$ | 4 a . X O O .
$$ | 3 1 5 X X O .
$$ | . 8 6 b 7 9 .
$$ +---------------[/go]

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Post #5 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 7:46 am 
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You should first explore the simpler starting moves, cyclops.

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Post #6 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:20 am 
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The 2-2 point might work, but black 2-3 in response seems hard to handle.

First instinct was the clamp (which works, I think), but then realized that the 1-2 point seems cleaner.

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[go]$$Wc A bit easier?
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O . . .
$$ | . X . . O . .
$$ | . . . X O O .
$$ | 1 . . X X O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ +---------------[/go]

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Post #7 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 8:25 am 
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Harleqin wrote:
You should first explore the simpler starting moves, cyclops.

How about C4?

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Post #8 Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 11:28 am 
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Just to demonstrate why I belive the clamp works:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | 5 O O O . . .
$$ | 2 X 3 . O . .
$$ | . 1 4 X O O .
$$ | 7 6 . X X O .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ +---------------[/go]


I believe C4 also works to kill:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O . . .
$$ | 5 X 1 . O . .
$$ | . 4 2 X O O .
$$ | 6 3 . X X O .
$$ | . 7 . . . . .
$$ +---------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wc This is NOT seki due to connect-and-die
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . . . . . . .
$$ | . O O O . . .
$$ | 5 X 1 . O . .
$$ | 8 4 2 X O O .
$$ | 7 3 . X X O .
$$ | . 6 . . 9 . .
$$ +---------------[/go]


However, if black plays 2-2 before white moves, I see no way for white to kill or make seki.

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