It is currently Wed Jul 26, 2017 1:46 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Replaying kifu: a 陰 (yin) activity?
Post #41 Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:03 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 493
Liked others: 13
Was liked: 70
KGS: FanXiping
OGS: slashpine
tentano wrote:
Don't forget to add an incorrect macron. It's vital to add to the irritation factor.
Roomazi is meant as a way to write in Japanese without kanji or kana. I imagine most Japanese persons expect foreign learners of the language to be well acquainted with its writing conventions.

From what I remember about Japanese people, they do not expect foreigners to know their language as well as a native speaker would. So much so that, until not very long ago, most Japanese persons would feel uneasy around a foreigner that spoke fluent Japanese. Or, rather, Japanese persons would consider it unnatural for a non-Asian person to speak the language to a high degree of fluency.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Replaying kifu: a 陰 (yin) activity?
Post #42 Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 7:37 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 493
Liked others: 13
Was liked: 70
KGS: FanXiping
OGS: slashpine
daal wrote:
Everyone knows that the OP was referring to a game record. Despite the blowhard replies that the word kifu was being used inaccurately, I still don't know why, and am inclined to care less and start using Japanese words incorrectly just to see who it riles.
I imagine Japanophiles would be the only ones guaranteed to pitch a fit when incorrect use of a Japanese term occurs. Most Japanese per se would not care since they do not expect non-Japanese persons to be fluent in Japanese to the degree characteristic of a Japan-born Japanese person.

Quote:
Maybe your post provoked snarky replies because it seems hard to get a handle on. Why should one form of nourishment lead to stronger muscles and bones and the other to body tissue? How do you determine that one aspect of go is more yin or yang than another? How does yin and yang balance each other - is this an ideal or is it viewed as something that occurs automatically? What I mean by my last question is, if we assume that your categorizations are ok, does Chinese philosophy say that an excess of yin always brings about more yang or just when a person is in balance?
I'll have to confess that my descriptions were metaphorical and Westerners tend to avoid use of metaphor, instead preferring accurate descriptions.

Perhaps we should bring on board a Chinese person acquainted with the light & shadow concept as described in Taoist philosophy. This person may help clear things up :mrgreen:

In the event that that does not happen, here is a Wikipedia quote on the topic:

Quote:
Yin is characterized as slow, soft, yielding, diffuse, cold, wet, and passive; and is associated with water, earth, the moon, femininity, and nighttime.

Yang, by contrast, is fast, hard, solid, focused, hot, dry, and aggressive; and is associated with fire, sky, the sun, masculinity and daytime.[18]
Yin refers to actions and characteristics that are associated with the female (soft) aspect. For instance, wet, dark places are known to be yin. A shadowy, humid forest may fall into this description. A dark cave is another such place.

Yang refers to actions and characteristics that are associated with the male (hard) aspect. One example is a dry, sunny spot. Deserts consisting of little more than sand and rocks are like this. So are sun-facing sides of mountains. This is the image conveyed by the character 陽 .

This association also exists in Japanese place names. For example, the southern strip of the Chuugoku region that faces the Seto Inland Sea is known as San'yoo, or side of the mountain facing the sun. The northern strip that faces the Sea of Japan is known as San'in, or side of the mountain that faces away from the sun, i.e. shadow.

Having said the above, I say that passive replaying of game records can be considered a yin activity, since there is no focus, but rather passive internalization of patterns of play. Doing Go puzzles requires focus, which would make it a yang activity.

Quote:
As to your hypothesis that replaying kifu (is that some kind of donkey?) will bring about the ability to analyze board positions, who know? Try it out! My feeling is that the more passively (yinly?) you replay the games, the less it will add to your ability to analyze board positions. Replaying a game doesn't have to be sitting back and watching - you can also be trying to make and justify the decisions yourself.
Whenever I hear someone who has never replayed a pro game record say that one should attempt to analyze a game from the start, it reminds me of someone who plays Association football without ever having seen anyone else play it, let alone seen a match on TV.

My personal experience indicates that after a long while of passively replaying games, enough info has been stored in the brain to allow one to make educated guesses on what occurs during play. Passive becomes active, in short. I am not yet at any high level of analysis, but I am able to make out just a few things whenever I replay a pro game record.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Replaying kifu: a 陰 (yin) activity?
Post #43 Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:43 pm 
Dies in gote

Posts: 22
Location: Papua New Guinea
Liked others: 0
Was liked: 0
Rank: Tygem 5 dan
Tygem: yangatpng
it is the first time for me to heard such a theory for considering replaying kifu as Yin and L&D as Yang.

for the most cases , the balance is essential between Yin and Yang in Chinease traditional theory.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Replaying kifu: a 陰 (yin) activity?
Post #44 Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:58 am 
Lives in gote

Posts: 394
Location: UK
Liked others: 140
Was liked: 29
Rank: 4.1415...k kgs [5sf]
Universal go server handle: Elom, WindnWater
Pofessional Record Replay (PRR) seems like a mental metaphor for an "aerobic" (oxygen-based, generally for fitness) activity, while tsumego appears to be more "anaerobic" (generally for muscle building, strength training), of which there are yin&yan versions of both (long distance marathon/walking up and down while reading a book, benchpress/carrying a heavy backpack while reading a book).

_________________
B: We are only few. But we will do it. We will get through this preliminary and claim unforetold glory for millions of years to come!
Go stone Army: Yeah!!!
A: You might want to increase your chances from the level of just three people in your army. ?

Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group