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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #21 Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:34 pm 
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After one win from each colour, we have our first tie! :)

KataGo self-play (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) - game 3: https://online-go.com/review/447990

Interesting winrate graph: https://i.ibb.co/rpyTgR3/Screen-Shot-20 ... -55-AM.png

The game after the opening:

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[go]$$Wc White to play
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


.sgf file:



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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #22 Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2020 7:39 am 
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Game 4 (self-play, New Zealand rules, 7 komi) featured four dragons duking it out in the center. One side sacrifices eighteen stones and ends up winning the game by 72 points or so. New title holder of "shortest game in this thread" :)

https://online-go.com/demo/view/448780

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[go]$$Wc Opening
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


.sgf file:



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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #23 Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:37 pm 
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Game 5 is our newest winner of "shortest game in the thread so far": W+20 or so. https://online-go.com/demo/view/448967

At some point, I'll split a game at a instead of M5:

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[go]$$Wc Opening
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


.sgf file:



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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #24 Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:25 am 
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Game 6 is our newest- you guys get the gist by now. How short can these games get? :) Hopeless for black at move 184. White seems to be up by 16 - 18 points. https://online-go.com/demo/view/450285

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[go]$$Wc In game 2, black played at a instead of R14.
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #25 Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:22 pm 
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xela wrote:
Here are a few interesting moments from game 1:


I've added more KataGo variations to all of your suggested Leela Zero variations for KataGo + AlphaGo Teach games 1 and 2.

.sgf file with comments for game 1:



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Post #26 Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:11 pm 
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Game 2 in particular is now chock-full of endgame sequences that can only be described as elaborate. :)

.sgf file with comments:



In other news, KataGo (NZ rules, 7 komi) self-play game 7, which is currently under way, will introduce 3-4 points into the fuseki. :)

EDIT: Added .sgf embeds for all KataGo NZ self-play games in this thread.


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Post #27 Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:26 am 
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KataGo (NZ rules, 7 komi) self-play game 7 - black wins by 28 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/452290

This brings our current tally to 2 black wins, 1 tie and 4 white wins.

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[go]$$Wc For game 8, I'll have black play at a instead of G7.
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Post #28 Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:38 pm 
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KataGo (NZ rules, 7 komi) self-play game 8 turned into an early center fight. Black won by 8 or so: https://online-go.com/demo/view/454459

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[go]$$Bc For once, a cross-cut. Black to play
$$ +---------------------------------------+
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Post #29 Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:29 am 
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Can you say messy and complicated? If you can, that means you're equipped to describe game 9 (NZ rules, 7 komi). :) Half of the board turns into a giant semeai, and white wins by 76 points or so. https://online-go.com/review/456124

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[go]$$Bc In game 1, white played at a. Game 10 will split off with white playing at b.
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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