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Post #261 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 am 
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10 sec/move katago b40-s118 - b20-s530 15:5 (b40 won 7 Black, 8 White. KataGo - Eigen AVX2, numSearchThreads = 1)
b20 won the shortest and longest game with white:




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Post #262 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 am 
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b40 also won the shortest and longest game with white:




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Post #263 Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2022 6:22 am 
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KataGo b60c320-s632 maxPlayouts 1, numSearchThreads 1 - CS Zero 9d H5


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Post #264 Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 2:12 am 
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KataGo b60c320-s647 maxPlayouts 1, numSearchThreads 1 - CS Zero 9d



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Post #265 Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 11:58 am 
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new 18 block network
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/ ... r05.bin.gz
does not work on KataGo 1.11.0: "This neural net requires a newer KataGo version."
https://discord.com/channels/4170221623 ... 2637639690

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Post #266 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:50 pm 
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New Go-playing trick defeats world-class Go AI—but loses to human amateurs

Last week, a group of AI researchers published a paper outlining a method to defeat KataGo by using adversarial techniques that take advantage of KataGo's blind spots
https://arstechnica.com/information-tec ... -amateurs/

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Post #267 Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:48 pm 
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Ugh. According to the article, this just exploits that they implemented the rules as »two passes end the game«, but KataGo by itself doesn't know this. I wonder whether the authors even understand Go.

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Post #268 Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:01 pm 
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I think the end is the most interesting:

"The research shows that AI systems that seem to perform at a human level are often doing so in a very alien way, and so can fail in ways that are surprising to humans," explains Gleave. "This result is entertaining in Go, but similar failures in safety-critical systems could be dangerous."
Imagine a self-driving car AI that encounters a wildly unlikely scenario it doesn't expect, allowing a human to trick it into performing dangerous behaviors, for example. "[This research] underscores the need for better automated testing of AI systems to find worst-case failure modes," says Gleave, "not just test average-case performance."
A half-decade after AI finally triumphed over the best human Go players, the ancient game continues its influential role in machine learning. Insights into the weaknesses of Go-playing AI, once broadly applied, may even end up saving lives.

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Post #269 Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2022 4:28 pm 
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who compiled the version for Windows with support for the new 18b network, upload please!

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Post #270 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 4:22 pm 
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Drop this katago.exe file in a working katago v1.11 OpenCL folder and have it replace the old katago.exe and it should work. The new 18b net is actually a bit faster and stronger than the old 40b net despite being "smaller" (it's a new architecture) and it's still mid-training so it should grow stronger over the following weeks/months.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-uWOZS ... SDRQt/view


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Post #271 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:00 pm 
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@PC_Screen
thank you! it works, but KataGo throws an error on the second move (in Sabaki and on the command line). probably not enough video memory.
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Uncaught exception: CL_OUT_OF_RESOURCES <possibly ran out of GPU memory?>

EDIT yes, there is not enough video memory - 7x7 works
could you make an eigenavx2 version?

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Post #272 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:02 am 
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Thanks for uploading the engine files.
I tried "katago.exe" which was put on Google Drive.
I've tried with Lizzie and LizzieYzy, but I get an error and the engine doesn't work. The error message said something like "If you have ucrtbased.dll, it will work", so I got it from the internet and put it in the folder where katago.exe is located.

I wasn't expecting much, but this worked.
It's working with Lizzie and LizzieYzy, but it's noticeably slower compared to 40 blocks.
It is about 60 to 70% of the speed of 40 blocks.
I thought it was a problem related to FP16, so I tried changing the FP16 setting in the configuration file from "auto" to "true", but there was no change in speed.
Any good ideas?

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Post #273 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:34 am 
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I managed to run KataGo 18b on 19x19, and the speed has increased significantly! how I did it:
1 started tunning with a 10b network
2 renamed the resulting file to "tune8...x19_y19_c384_mv11.txt "
and that's it! :D

EDIT will it work for you? ... :)

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Post #274 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 11:50 am 
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Katago Eigen, same process, drop it inside the katago 1.11 eigen folder and replace the old katago.exe.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/18XJHc8 ... sp=sharing

As for the speed being lower, try running the benchmark in the command prompt (./katago.exe benchmark -model <NEURALNET>.bin.gz) and adjust the number of search threads based on it

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Post #275 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 1:29 pm 
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KataGo (18b, playouts 1) - CS Zero 9d



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Post #276 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 5:00 pm 
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>EDIT will it work for you? ... :)

I tried that method, but unfortunately I didn't see any speed improvement.
I also ran a benchmark test and it's slower than 40 blocks due to false FP16 relationships.

CUDA version or TensorRT version will enable FP16 and speed will be faster.
The katago.exe provided by @PC_Screen seems to be the OpenCL version.

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Post #277 Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2022 9:06 pm 
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second game KataGo (18b, playouts 1) - CS Zero 9d



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Post #278 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:44 am 
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Similarly replaced the tuning file for the 40b network, the time to move 40b is 20% longer than that of 18b (playouts 1, gt 610)

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Post #279 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 9:25 am 
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KataGo 18b, playouts 10 - 40b, playouts 10



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Post #280 Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:07 am 
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second game KataGo 18b, playouts 10 - 40b, playouts 10
(40b-s118)



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