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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #261 Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 12:36 pm
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q30 wrote:
I had not posted any link to any game results between Phoenix v.14 and v.15, except mine.

This is becoming really ridiculous... You post something, I answer, you say, you didn't post it.

I promise this is my last post in this thread...

You posted this:
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In these results 0.14 wins 0.15 by black and by white.

Here:
forum/viewtopic.php?p=235944#p235944

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #262 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:06 am
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dfan wrote:
If A and B are equally strong, A will beat B 4-0 with probability 1/16. This doesn't mean that if A beats B 4-0, the probability they are equally strong is 1/16.

OK. And what the probability they are equally strong is in this case?

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #263 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 7:14 am
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as0770 wrote:
q30 wrote:
I had not posted any link to any game results between Phoenix v.14 and v.15, except mine.

This is becoming really ridiculous... You post something, I answer, you say, you didn't post it.

I promise this is my last post in this thread...

You posted this:
q30 wrote:
In these results 0.14 wins 0.15 by black and by white.

Here:
https://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewt ... 44#p235944

Welcome on my blacklist.

This is really ridiculous, how You read posts...
Where You had found in the post by this link word "Phoenix" (or "Феникс")?!

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #264 Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:29 am
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q30 wrote:
dfan wrote:
If A and B are equally strong, A will beat B 4-0 with probability 1/16. This doesn't mean that if A beats B 4-0, the probability they are equally strong is 1/16.

OK. And what the probability they are equally strong is in this case?

We don't have enough information to say; it depends on our prior guess of how likely various strength differences are.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #265 Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:54 am
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I had determined the 2018 year winners of different sizes LeelaZero weights (details):
"bantamweight" <|= 2 ^ 23 B (< 12 MiB) - best_5b.txt;
"featherweight" 2 ^ 24 B (12 - 24 MiB) - I haven't;
"lightweight" 2 ^ 25 B (24 - 48 MiB) - LeelaMaster_E08.txt;
"welterweight" 2 ^ 26 B (48 - 96 MiB) - LeelaMaster_W11.txt;
"middleweight" 2 ^ 27 B (96 - 192 MiB) - LeelaMaster_GX35.txt;
"light heavyweight" 2 ^ 28 B (192 - 384 MiB) - elf_converted_weights.txt;
"heavyweight" 2 ^ 29 B (384 - 768 MiB) - leelaz-model-swa-9-72000.txt;
"super heavyweight" >|= 2 ^ 30 B (> 768 MiB) - I haven't.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #266 Posted: Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:42 am
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The best of the 2018 year LeelaZero weights are next (details):
1) "light heavyweight" 2 ^ 28 B (192 - 384 MiB) - elf_converted_weights.txt;
2) "heavyweight" 2 ^ 29 B (384 - 768 MiB) - leelaz-model-swa-9-72000.txt;
3) "middleweight" 2 ^ 27 B (96 - 192 MiB) - LeelaMaster_GX35.txt | leelaz-model-swa-8-64000_quantized.txt

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #267 Posted: Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:03 am
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The top list of GTP engines without using GPU (details):
Highest level
1) LeelaZero
High level
2) Leela
Middle level
3) Rayon
4) Hiratuka
5) Pachi_DCNN
6) Pachi
7) Ray
8) Ray(RLO)
9) MoGo

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #268 Posted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:40 am
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The top list of GTP engines without using GPU (details):
Highest level
1) LeelaZero
High level
2) Leela
Middle level
3) Rayon
4) Hiratuka
5) Zenith
6) Pachi_DCNN
7) Pachi
8) Ray
9) MoGo

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #269 Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:46 am
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q30 wrote:
The top list of GTP engines without using GPU.

Sorry q30,
You posted 2 different lists with the same description.
Did you mean to make it with and without GPU?

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #270 Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:25 am
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Yes, the description is the same and the lists are different (the list was updated: was added Zenith and was removed Ray(RLO) because of about sense). What is the problem?
On my PC without modern NVidia card it isn't possible to test with GPU...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #271 Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:38 am
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The rating of Phoenix LeelaZero versions (details):
1) 0.16
2) lz_v0.33(0.15)
3) lz_v0.32(0.15)
4) lz_orig(0.15)
5) lizzie(0.15)
6) 0.14

But I don't understand, what is the reason of all these versions creating without the neuronet updating...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #272 Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 3:05 am
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q30 wrote:
Yes, the description is the same and the lists are different (the list was updated: was added Zenith and was removed Ray(RLO) because of about sense). What is the problem

I never have problems, only challenges.
It wasn't obvious, but now it is. Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #273 Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:22 am
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q30 wrote:
This is really ridiculous, how You read posts...
Where You had found in the post by this link word "Phoenix" (or "Феникс")?!

We did not talk about Phoenix but about the significance of the results you posted. You pervert the facts once again. I just don't know if you do it on purpose or ignorantly.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #274 Posted: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:42 pm
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as0770, why not ignore this thread instead of engaging in these pointless arguments?

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #275 Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:28 pm
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Uberdude wrote:
as0770, why not ignore this thread instead of engaging in these pointless arguments?

Oh well, I tried to delete my account here but I failed. So I will go on answering if someone tells nonsense. But feel free to delete my account.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #276 Posted: Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:05 pm
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3 nov 2018
as0770 wrote:

I promise this is my last post in this thread...

25 jul 2019
as0770 wrote:

We did not talk about Phoenix but about the significance of the results you posted. You pervert the facts once again. I just don't know if you do it on purpose or ignorantly.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #277 Posted: Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:27 am
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AloneAgainstAll wrote:
3 nov 2018
as0770 wrote:

I promise this is my last post in this thread...

25 jul 2019
as0770 wrote:

We did not talk about Phoenix but about the significance of the results you posted. You pervert the facts once again. I just don't know if you do it on purpose or ignorantly.

Congrats, you found contradiction in a public forum.

I know I shouldn't read posts by blacklisted people, but now and then I forget my deliberate intention and read them because the forum software don't allow to blacklist someone completely. And then I feel this inner constraint and have to answer to the nonsense.

BTW I ignored it for a long time, but since I started this thread this guy wrote deprecative comments to me. I could live with it if there would be at least some basic expertise. But neither there is some know how, nor he understands english.

So after all I think it is OK to answer him once in a half year. Judge yourself if it is OK to blame me for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #278 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 3:38 am
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spook wrote:
q30 wrote:
Yes, the description is the same and the lists are different (the list was updated: was added Zenith and was removed Ray(RLO) because of about sense). What is the problem

I never have problems, only challenges. :)
It wasn't obvious, but now it is. Thanks.

I had thought, that my post has problem...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #279 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:11 am
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as0770 wrote:
q30 wrote:
This is really ridiculous, how You read posts...
Where You had found in the post by this link word "Phoenix" (or "Феникс")?!

We did not talk about Phoenix but about the significance of the results you posted. You pervert the facts once again. I just don't know if you do it on purpose or ignorantly.

I don't know, what abstract significance You had told about, but I had told specifically about the significance in first case of original LeelaZero, when there was small overweight in the account in a match with small number of games, but big number of playouts,that was confirmed in a match with big number of games, but small number of playouts, and about the significance in second case of LeelaZero Phoenix (that post was about what), when there was big overweight in the account in a match with small number of games, but big number of playouts (and there wasn't any additional matches).
So there wasn't any fact perversion, but was Your inattentive reading of posts...

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 Post subject: Re: Engine Tournament #280 Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:24 am
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The rating of original (weights file format) LeelaZero versions (details):
1) 0.17
2) lz_next_190222(0.16)
3&4) 0.16&0.14
5) 0.15(all)

The only 0.17 version is significantly stronger than previous.

One "trick": for getting not only the LeelaZero version, but and used weights file, replace in GTP.cpp the stroke
Code:
gtp_printf(id, PROGRAM_VERSION);
by the one
Code:
gtp_printf(id, ' %s + %s', PROGRAM_VERSION, cfg_weightsfile.c_str());
before engine compiling.

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