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What’s Your Bet? (All three games will be played)
Poll ended at Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:12 am
Cho Chikun : Zen — 3 : 0 19%  19%  [ 8 ]
Cho Chikun : Zen — 2 : 1 17%  17%  [ 7 ]
Cho Chikun : Zen — 1 : 2 36%  36%  [ 15 ]
Cho Chikun : Zen — 0 : 3 29%  29%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 42
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Post #21 Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:03 am 
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Thanks for your explanations, Mike Novack and Gomoto!
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By the way, what are you thinking about the first two games ;-)

Don't ask me, please ;-) I’m a measly ~10k, and I didn’t even have time nor “mindspace” to watch the games, not even to read the SGF of the first game thoroughly.
And IF I did, I’d just be like, “Oh.” … “Oh?” … “Oh!” … “Oh wow!”, etc. :lol:

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Post #22 Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:21 am 
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Post #23 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:16 am 
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Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

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Post #24 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:04 am 
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Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.


The third game seemed a lot like how Lee Sedol won, with a tesuji that the computer simply did not see/expect.

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Post #25 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:22 am 
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Charlie wrote:
Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.

Heh, neither was mine with 1:2 :lol:

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Post #26 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 6:20 am 
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Looks like Cho Chikun won 2:1. My guess of 3:0 wasn't far wrong.


Seems like the least popular choice (which was the one I made :) ) was the correct one.

An aside for the language people. If a plurality is the most common without being a majority, is the least popular a singularity?

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Post #27 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:01 am 
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CONGRATS to Cho Chikun!

CONGRATS also to Hideki Kato and team for programming a great Go AI which was able to win one game against Cho Chikun!

THANKS to everybody who participated in this poll! (my bet was Cho Chikun : Zen – 1 : 2)

THANKS to everybody involved in the event!

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Oh, and CONGRATULATIONS, of course, to everybody who guessed the correct outcome of the match!
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Post #28 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 10:05 am 
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An aside for the language people. If a plurality is the most common without being a majority, is the least popular a singularity?


;) ;) ;)

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And if majority means >50% does minority means <50% as well? So it's possible that one group can be both plurality and minority?


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And if majority means >50% does minority means <50% as well? So it's possible that one group can be both plurality and minority?


It can be <50%, or something smaller, depending on context. My own sense is that a plurality where there is no clear majority is not a minority, since it's the most common thing, but I don't know how much this is borne out by others. In the US, at least, there is also often mention made of minority-majority districts (for congressional representation, etc.) where a group that is a minority nationally is a majority within that subdivision.

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Post #31 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:14 pm 
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Reminds me of how somebody once said, “Democracy is the dictatorship of the largest minority over the other minorities.”

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Post #32 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:39 pm 
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And if majority means >50% does minority means <50% as well? So it's possible that one group can be both plurality and minority?


It can also be a majority and a minority at the same time. The majority of people in the US are female, but females are treated as a minority for hiring purposes. At least they used to me, and I assume still are.

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