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Post #1 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:49 am 
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Does anyone know of a go user interface that allows:

(a) Tell if a position exists in a database (including symmetries)
(b) If it exists, show which moves has been played
(c) Suggest engine moves for positions (preferably a few candidates)

also nice would be if it could solve tsumego for a limited area of the board, or somehow limit the engine to play only "local" moves. (So one can try off-joseki moves, and see how the computer handles them).

Seems like finding a linux UI that allows me to plug in a GTP engine is already a challenge (quarry does).

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Post #2 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 3:02 am 
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Hi Tapani,

(a) & (b): yes -- SmartGo.

(c): currently AlphaGo is closed and proprietary ;
other post-human engines may be available ( soon ? ).

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Post #3 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 5:27 am 
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Tapani wrote:
Does anyone know of a go user interface that allows:

(a) Tell if a position exists in a database (including symmetries)
(b) If it exists, show which moves has been played
(c) Suggest engine moves for positions (preferably a few candidates)

also nice would be if it could solve tsumego for a limited area of the board, or somehow limit the engine to play only "local" moves. (So one can try off-joseki moves, and see how the computer handles them).

Seems like finding a linux UI that allows me to plug in a GTP engine is already a challenge (quarry does).


All you need is SmartGo :bow:
It's amazing, super good programm.
And they are working on it https://smartgo.com/changes.html
support@smartgo.com
Just tell them what you need and if they get enough emails about it, I'm sure they will do it.
Also don't forget to tell them to create a heatmap option and an analysis window where we can see the best moves from Leela and other AIs.

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Post #4 Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:16 pm 
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For (a),(b) pattern search don't forget that http://ps.waltheri.net/ does quite a great job.

For (c) you need to find a good dan bot, Leela https://www.sjeng.org/leela.html is free for instance, Zen or CrazyStone do also a good job but are not free, and there are many others, see on the forum. Unfortunately all-in-1 software may be equiped with weak engines, so I would not trust the moves they recommend, a plus would be that your favorite tool accept input from GTP engines, so you can plug your favorite dan engine for analysis.

For tsumego, I'm also in search of such an application. I use MadLab http://www.t-t.dk/madlab it generally does a good job, but it is also often taking ages to answer...

I heard XuanXuan http://www.xuanxuango.com/index.htm go does a fine job too, but I never stepped to buy it (mainly because I was discouraged by this obscure chinese website).

I tested also Panda Sensei https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pandanet.tsumego&hl=fr because I was thrilled about it, being victorious in the tsumego championship against top pro pairs http://www.pandanet.co.jp/event/PandaSensei/index_e.htm, but clearly the Android version is NOT the real deal. Plus you can only use it for free at the beginning, after solving a few tsumegos you have to buy Panda points. At first I was pleased by its solving speed, but the total lack of ko options and the illogical choice of "inside stones" makes it unusable in practice (this is only my opinion), so I gave up. Apparently, the killer version was kept as secret as alphago.


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Post #5 Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:33 am 
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goame, thanks for the tip -- but so far what SmartGo offers appears really not enough. Also I prefer using Linux.


zwim, thanks for the many useful links. The MadLab tesuji solver was new to me, and it seems pretty neat!

My original question came from using ps.waltheri.net and Leela, I found it just a hassle to copy positions between different applications just try out moves. But thanks for the links too.

Also, I share your view on the XuanXuan Go tool -- had also seen that, but like you, I decided to wait with it. Even if it might be pretty good.



Oh, if anyone else uses Linux and wants to try MadLab -- the trick to get MadLab to install on newer distributions is to download the generic/Mac version, and run it with "java -jar install.jar". The downloadable linux installers do not work anymore.

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