... and the winner is Leela Zero at 20 sec per move.

(Intel I5 2500k & Nvidia 1080Ti)



(Zen did not see the defeat until late in the game.)

Game 2:

Zen 7 (20 sec. p. move) versus Leela Zero (10 sec. p. move)

I like this game very much. An intense battle of the two dargon masters. Leela Zero outplays Zen very nicely and displays quite a Ko fighting strength in this one.

How low can I go with the time settings for Leela Zero on my local box?

How blessed am I, to have these two master teachers available.


(Probably a mistake that Zen 7 was released without GPU support.)

5 seconds is to tight for Leela Zero on my box, finally a win for Zen:

Is it possible you let Zen continue with Black here and LeelaZero with White with at least 30s per move. I wonder how Leela does in a slightly suboptimal fuseki.

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Why Zen versus Leela? I have to put in the moves by hand

I just would like to know if Leela can win as White against Zen as black in this setup. I thought maybe you could just let them play from move 5 onwards...otherwise it's a little bit complicated.

Sorry I am not interested at plays in the middle of the side in the opening stage. Too passive, only corners and approach moves make the cut for me.

It may look like that, but it's actually very aggressive, because the splitting stone supports all kinds of daring maneuvers in the vincinity.

And before I saw them both in the same thread I thought Gomoto might have been the reincarnation of Pippen!

Antichinese opening (Not necessary, because chinese opening is bad )

Variation 1 (Antichinese by Leela Zero 10 sec.)

How do you set the time for LeelaZ ?

Wow, did LeelaZ play White and win? I am impressed how easypeasy Leela did with such an argueable suboptimal opening.

Antichinese debunked by Leela Zero (10 sec.) Black versus Zen 7 (20 sec.) White.

Leela Zero shows quite some shinogi abilities to support the early 3-3 invasion.

Antichinese Variation 2:

lol at 69 "your vital point is my vital point".

I think 69 is quite hard to find, aka it is quite easy to miss

http://ps.waltheri.net/940193

But if your confident to kill ...

Leela Zero seems so much stronger than Zen that it can win even with suboptimal openings (or maybe those split fusekis are better than their reputation^^).

Yeah, but Zen played the enclosure in the bottom right instead of playing in the open corner. Which is what Leela did as Black in the next game.

But you really want some self play games.

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I don't know if this is an error; But leela Zero was winning until move 384 where she filled in her own eyes and lost the group. It was interesting to see that both engines did not even know who is winning. Clearly, W is winning 5.5.

Setting for both is 10s/ move

AMD Ryzen 1700X , GTX 1600 3GB

@bill: If we take this setup I bet Leela will win with White, even if 4 is played at 'a' (which I think is a better place for 4 by the way).

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See this post for details: viewtopic.php?p=228577#p228577
In that example, I set it to 31 (which seems to result in actually 30 seconds, according to the logs).

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