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Post #301 Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:17 pm 
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I have tried minigov15-modeste_converted and minigov15-cormorant_converted. They look indeed stronger than ELFv1. The minigo style is really far from human style. I don't see apparent activities of acquiring solid territory, nor building walls in the center. It just plays rock solid, so the ELF's sharp attack is not effective. However, this also means it is bad at (giving) handicap games because minigo is not good at attacking opponents weakness, in particular, regarding ko fights and capture races.

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Post #302 Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:59 am 
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10 game match
Elfv1 v. MG_000513_revenge

LZ0.16, twogtp 1.5.0 , 2x1080Ti, 8000 visits for Elf, 4000 visits for 513 (corresponding roughly to 2.6 and 3s/move)
-r 5 , no pondering
result : Elf wins 8-2

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NB. I forgot to change the default sgf name, so, the games are labelled mg990elf_v4000-x.sgf, but the network used is revenge_000513, as you can see in the command line.

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Post #303 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:17 pm 
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The first picture of this post shows contrasted results for 990_cormorant v. Elfv1 (cormorant wins at 10s/move and at 120s, but loses at 60s/move)

Here are two more 10 game matches with settings comparable to his 10s/move.
gpu: 2x1080Ti, constant 5s/move (5.03s effectively used) , twogtp, -alternate, -r 5, no pondering
All games by resignation, no error, no duplicate game.
Average length is 247 moves for the first 10 game match, and 212 moves for the second match.

Result : Elf wins 12-8

If we add the results of the three 10 game matches, we get ... 15-15
My conclusion is that 990 cormorant and Elfv1 are about the same strength at 10s/move with one 1080Ti. ;-)

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I'll upload the games if someone wants them.

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Post #304 Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:27 pm 
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new network 15x192 60:40 over f438268e:
https://github.com/leela-zero/leela-zero/issues/2192

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Post #305 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:08 am 
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Vargo wrote:
My conclusion is that 990 cormorant and Elfv1 are about the same strength at 10s/move with one 1080Ti.

"v15-19x19_models_000990-cormorant_converted_quantized.txt" is stronger than "000990-cormorant_converted.txt"
https://github.com/leela-zero/leela-zer ... -459413040

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Post #306 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:40 am 
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Is there a possiblity to download the last - say 100.000 games - from LZ's self play as a sgf collection?

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Post #307 Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 9:47 am 
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Post #308 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:43 am 
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does anyone know where to download LZ ZQ elf-2, LZ ZQ elf-5 ?
https://github.com/breakwa11/GoAIRatings

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Post #309 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:56 am 
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20 game match at time parity between
LZ0.16 #204 and LZ0.16 Elfv2
1x1080, twogtp 1.5.0, 5min per side and per game.

Elfv2 wins 13-7
All games by resignation, no error, no duplicate game.
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Post #310 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:07 am 
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Vargo, about how many playouts per move is this? The official LZ test was 1600 each and LZ won 65%.

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Post #311 Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:44 am 
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Uberdude wrote:
how many playouts per move is this?
5 min per side and per game is, in fact, ~3.5 min/game effectively used, and is ~2s/move. It's similar to -v 1600 for #204 and -v 3000 for Elfv2 , all this with 1x1080.


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Post #312 Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:39 am 
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Another 10 game match between LZ0.16_#204 and LZ0.16_Elfv2 at time parity
2x1080Ti, 5 minutes per side per game (probably similar to -v 5000 for #204 and to -v 9000 for Elfv2)
twogtp 1.5.0, no pondering, komi 7.5, no duplicate game, no error.
Result : Elfv2 wins 7-3.

The games :
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I've used "-alternate", so, #204 is B in the even numbered games, and #204 is W for the odd numbers.
(#204 only won the games numbered 1, 3, and 6)


The command lines and the stats :
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Post #313 Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2019 9:47 pm 
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LZ0.16_#204 vs LZ0.16_Elfv2 2x1080Ti, 3s per move:
gogui-twogtp -black "C:\APPS\l0gpu16\leelaz.exe --gtp --weights=C:\APPS\net\05d10f27.gz -t 12 --gpu 0 --gpu 1 --noponder --precision single" -white "C:\APPS\l0gpu16\leelaz.exe --gtp --weights=C:\APPS\net\05dbca15.gz -t 12 --gpu 0 --gpu 1 --noponder --precision single" -games 100 -sgffile 204-elfv2 -auto -time 1s+4s/1 -komi 7.5 -verbose
gogui-twogtp -white "C:\APPS\l0gpu16\leelaz.exe --gtp --weights=C:\APPS\net\05d10f27.gz -t 12 --gpu 0 --gpu 1 --noponder --precision single" -black "C:\APPS\l0gpu16\leelaz.exe --gtp --weights=C:\APPS\net\05dbca15.gz -t 12 --gpu 0 --gpu 1 --noponder --precision single" -games 100 -sgffile elfv2-204 -auto -time 1s+4s/1 -komi 7.5 -verbose

Nothing interesting:

Code:
+28-72=0 (as black)
+34-66=0 (as white)

Total: +62-138=0


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Post #314 Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:10 am 
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nbc44 wrote:
Nothing interesting:
Why do you say that ? I find it very interesting, particularly considering it's 200 games :tmbup: !
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New network #205

40 game match #205 v. Elfv2

1x1080, 5min per side and per game, no pondering, komi 7.5

Elfv2 wins 25-15 (62.5 %)

40 games :
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Command lines and stats (205 is B) :
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Command lines and stats (205 is W) :
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