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Author:  And [ Thu Aug 22, 2019 11:27 am ]
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are there programs or engines for 13x13 comparable in strength KataGo?
Author:  iopq [ Tue Aug 27, 2019 8:53 am ]
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And wrote:
are there programs or engines for 13x13 comparable in strength KataGo?

Simply put, no. Those are maybe going to be trained by other people, but KG is so strong at it it would take a really long time from scratch, even using KG code
Author:  And [ Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:13 am ]
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lightvector, could you answer what will be in the new release of your wonderful program, and when will it possibly be released?
Author:  Amigo [ Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:07 am ]
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Lizzie v0.7 - Windows versions also come with KataGo and its latest 20 block network.
Author:  And [ Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:05 pm ]
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Has anyone installed the cuda-version? I downloaded cuda_10.1, cudnn, I want to install cuda, writes - no supported version of visual studio was found. I download from the link, the same thing. which version visual studio can be installed?
Author:  lightvector [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 8:11 am ]
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I don't have much experience getting the CUDA version working in Windows, as I personally don't even have a GPU on a windows machine. Probably the information you need about all the different versions on windows should be here though:

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-insta ... index.html
Author:  Gomoto [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:09 am ]
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Thanks for KataGo, using it right now with Lizzie 0.7 (GPU version works right out of the box in windows.)
Author:  Gomoto [ Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:00 pm ]
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KataGo is doing a fine job at using my GPU. For the first time i hear coil whine during analyzing or gameplay on my 1080 TI. (I limit my GPU with MSI Afterburner during analyzing to get rid of the coil whine.)

Funny fact. The whine is only there with the KataGo network not with the LZ network. Perhaps Kata is using the GPU more effectivly :-)

(Actually there is a very silent whine with the LZ network too but I was not able to hear it now or in the past without the reference to the Kata induced whine.)
Author:  And [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:38 pm ]
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lightvector wrote:
I don't have much experience getting the CUDA version working in Windows, as I personally don't even have a GPU on a windows machine. Probably the information you need about all the different versions on windows should be here though:

https://docs.nvidia.com/cuda/cuda-insta ... index.html

thanks, I'll try to do
Author:  And [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:46 pm ]
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Gomoto wrote:
Thanks for KataGo, using it right now with Lizzie 0.7 (GPU version works right out of the box in windows.)

with Lizzie.0.7.Windows.x64.CPU and Lizzie.0.7.Windows.x64.GPU included the same KataGo files, OpenCL. CUDA and OpenCL are completely different things. nothing new is needed to start KataGo OpenCL. To start KataGo CUDA, you need to install CUDA 10.1, download cudnn, perhaps update Microsoft .NET Framework, install Visual Studio. it takes proudly more time and much more disk space. I'm currently looking for a minimum size Visual Studio for a fully functional work CUDA
Author:  Gomoto [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:55 pm ]
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What is the advantage of the cuda version?

My GPU whines already under the load of the opencl version ;-)

(In other words did somebody actually test the performance of the cuda version versus the opencl version on the same hardware? For my analyzing needs I am sure the difference does not matter at all.)
Author:  And [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:06 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: A new run of KataGo released - strength comparable to EL
Gomoto wrote:
What is the advantage of the cuda version?

My GPU whines already under the load of the opencl version ;-)

(In other words did somebody actually test the performance of the cuda version versus the opencl version on the same hardware?)

"If you have an NVIDIA GPU, the CUDA version could be faster (or not! it varies)." (lightvector, https://github.com/lightvector/KataGo/releases)

I want to run KataGo 37x37, version 1.2 is limited to 19x19. and version 1.1 possibly unlimited, but only CUDA (this is the main reason for interest in CUDA version!)

about the cooler whining - not necessarily the CUDA creates more load on the GPU, and my video card is generally passively cooled :)
Author:  MagRes [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 5:17 pm ]
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Just as a random reference on my system, Windows 10 using a GTX 760 with all the latest drivers and updates.
OpenCL: ~40 visits per second
CUDA: ~50 visits per second
CUDA is a bit faster, but installing CUDA is a bit intimidating if you are not used to this sort of thing.
Author:  Gomoto [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 8:57 pm ]
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(It is not the cooler that is whining, it is coil whine. It does not bother me by the way. I just find it interesting it only shows up with KataGo.)
Author:  And [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:20 pm ]
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then it's magic. KataGo magic program !!!
Author:  Gomoto [ Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:37 am ]
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It is physics not magic :twisted: ;-)
Author:  Tryss [ Tue Oct 08, 2019 7:24 am ]
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Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - A.C. Clarke
Author:  And [ Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:40 pm ]
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Tryss, I did not have time to write it :)
Author:  wineandgolover [ Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:04 pm ]
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Hi folks,

I need help implementing KataGo. I'm not far off, I think. I apologize in advance for my ignorance. Like many Mac users, I use it because it "just works" and I'm not used to messing around with config files and command lines. Nevertheless to use Lizzie and Katago, I am willing to struggle a bit.

I have successfully installed lizzie 0.7 (maybe 0.7.1, I don't know how to tell). Anyway, it's running LZ just fine.

I followed the steps for installing KataGo up to and through the "make" stage, which was lengthy but made it through 100%. I now have an executable. I am running a black magic eGPU, so I used the OpenCL cmake command first.

So, how do I run KataGo? When I click on the executable file, I just get a list of subcommands. Where should I put the the executable file, in the Lizzie folder just like LZ? Where do I put the weights file? Should I leave the weights file in .zip format? How do I get Lizzie to talk to KataGo? Again, sorry for my ignorance. I am not a programmer or a GitHub master.

TIA
Author:  atn [ Tue Oct 15, 2019 7:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: A new run of KataGo released - strength comparable to EL
Hello,

I would love to make good use of Katago.

I did compile it on my ubuntu laptop (with NVidia GTX 950M).

I can't however have lizzie work correctly. It's console is empty and any menu item make it crash.

Do you have any insights about a software I could use that would use Katago and allow me to play high handicap games against it?
Or maybe a link / help that would help me with lizzie?

Thank you,
ATN
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