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 Post subject: Re: My hand-crafted KataGo (+ AlphaGo Teach) self-play games
Post #61 Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:44 pm 
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KataGo self-play (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) - game 1: https://online-go.com/review/442122

It was not a tie.

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[go]$$Wc Starting at game 44, we will explore 3-4 openings as well.
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EverettLiu, OGS 9d has left comments on this game. I've updated the OGS review as well as the .sgf, adding some bonus KataGo variations.


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Post #62 Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:10 pm 
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Kata got mad at me for calling the previous game understandable by humans. Game 39 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is another absolutely alien-like game that involves incredible trades resulting in large territories on both sides and a breathtaking tie. Don't sleep on this one. https://online-go.com/review/543331

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[go]$$Wc Game 38 continued at a instead of Q14.
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Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 45-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9j4CrEUcc

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.

I just remembered to update the .sgf in my 19x19 post as well. :)


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Post #63 Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:45 pm 
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In game 40 (New Zealand rules, 7 komi), white builds a center moyo. Black invades it at move 63 and claims more than half of it. Some major trades occur elsewhere. In the end, black wins by 4 or 6 points. https://online-go.com/demo/view/546829

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[go]$$Bc Black to play.
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Post #64 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:28 am 
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Game 41 (New Zealand rules, 7 komi) was a spectacular, messy-looking whole-board fight. Another incredible tie, bringing our final tally of this series to 10 black wins, 11 ties and 20 white wins. I will return to exploring AGT positions until spook implements the newest Kata net on ZBaduk. https://online-go.com/demo/view/548813

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[go]$$Bc Black to play.
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Post #65 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2020 12:47 pm 
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KataGo continuing from an AlphaGo Teach position, game 12: In which white almost makes a B2 bomber shape in the fuseki. Black refuses to be shown up and builds a proper B2 bomber later. The game is decided in a ko that is fought over 76 moves. https://online-go.com/review/549948

Cool winrate graph, too:

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 57 %)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Post #66 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:42 pm 
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My next project is to explore AlphaGo teach positions in which white makes a mistake on move 2 in order to get the winrate closer to 50 % (continuing with KataGo at the end of AGT's sequence). Game 13: https://online-go.com/review/551206

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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 54 %)
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Post #67 Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:36 pm 
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Game 12 (NZ rules, 7 komi) is probably my favourite game in this thread so far. The fuseki looks like drunk humans playing, and after that it's just one breathtaking magic trick after another - to end in only our second tie so far. Beautiful game. https://online-go.com/review/458154

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[go]$$Wc Fourteen other games will also continue at P4. Games 7, 8 and 23 continue at a instead.
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Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 65-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV9j4CrEUcc

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.


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Post #68 Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 6:25 pm 
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My current project, which started with game 13, is to explore AlphaGo teach positions in which white makes a mistake on move 2 in order to get the winrate closer to 50 % (continuing with KataGo at the end of AGT's sequence).

White won game 14 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/555588

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 55 %)
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In game 15 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), black slays white's dragon and wins big. Noteworthily, Leela Zero gives white 64 % winrate as late as move 275: https://online-go.com/review/557168

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 54 %)
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In game 16 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi), it is black's dragon that dies: https://online-go.com/review/559409

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 54 %)
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Post #69 Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 7:55 pm 
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White wins game 17 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 26 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/562045

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 54 %)
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Likewise, white is ahead by about 26 points again by the end of game 18 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi): https://online-go.com/review/564920

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 53 %)
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Black wins game 19 (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) by 1.5 points or so. Leela Zero gives white 62 % winrate as late as move 308: https://online-go.com/review/568395

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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 53 %)
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Attachments:
KG_+_AGT_game_19.sgf [2.52 KiB]
Downloaded 361 times
KG_+_AGT_game_17.sgf [2.17 KiB]
Downloaded 360 times
KG_+_AGT_game_18.sgf [1.72 KiB]
Downloaded 362 times


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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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In my endeavour of exploring AlphaGo Teach positions (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) in which white plays a mistake on move 2 to give black a closer-to-even winrate, KataGo has found a few move 2s which are not included in AlphaGo Teach’s database. This is my first pure KataGo self-play game with Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, in which white miscalculates a ko and black is ahead by about 27 points by move 179: https://online-go.com/review/578137

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[go]$$Bc White 51 % (KataGo)
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Attachments:
kg_7.5_komi_game_1.sgf [1.47 KiB]
Downloaded 337 times
KG_+_AGT_game_20.sgf [1.72 KiB]
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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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White wins game 22 by 4.5 points or so: https://online-go.com/review/587157

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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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Black wins game 23 by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/587863

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Attachments:
KG_+_AGT_game_23.sgf [2.29 KiB]
Downloaded 311 times
KG_+_AGT_game_22.sgf [1.63 KiB]
Downloaded 318 times
KG_+_AGT_game_21.sgf [2.07 KiB]
Downloaded 318 times


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White wins the IMO beautifully balanced 24th game by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/591763

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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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KG_+_AGT_game_24.sgf [2.13 KiB]
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Game 15 (NZ rules, 7 komi) was another complicated game. A lot of small groups, including an early-game seki. The winrate stayed even throughout until black crashed at move 225. https://online-go.com/review/465809

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[go]$$Wc Game 16 will split off at a instead of H3.
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Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 78-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T2QPBcjab4

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.

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[go]$$Bc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 52 %)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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White wins game 26 by 0.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/598754

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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (white 51 %)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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Attachments:
KG_+_AGT_game_26.sgf [2.28 KiB]
Downloaded 257 times
KG_+_AGT_game_25.sgf [2.53 KiB]
Downloaded 260 times


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In my endeavour of exploring AlphaGo Teach positions (Chinese rules, 7.5 komi) in which white plays a mistake on move 2 to give black a closer-to-even winrate, KataGo has found a few move 2s which are not included in AlphaGo Teach’s database. This is my second pure KataGo self-play game with Chinese rules and 7.5 komi, which black wins by 1.5 points: https://online-go.com/review/600621

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[go]$$Bc White 51 % (KataGo)
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$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]


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[go]$$Wc AlphaGo Teach's opening (black 50 %)
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Post #77 Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 8:01 pm 
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In my series of "white mistakes on move 2 to get winrates closer to 50 %", I've most recently played game 42 of my KataGo (7 komi, NZ rules) series. This is, as far as I recall, the first game in this series in which KataGo plays a 3-3 invasion of a lone 4-4 stone. As if on purpose, not long after the invasion joseki is finished, KataGo sacrifices the entire invading group and the other player builds an 80-point territory around it. As with all ties in this series, black's winrate first drops considerably before it goes back up towards 50 %, but in this game, the initial drop is much steeper (to around 14 %) and I almost resigned the game for black after it wastes a few ko threats. The winrate slants back up once white decides to waste a few ko threats of its own. Did I mention the black stone which white captures in a ladder three times before black saves it in the end? Funny game. https://online-go.com/review/605796

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Post #78 Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:15 pm 
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Maharani wrote:
Bonus game continued from a sequence suggested by ELF OpenGo v2: https://online-go.com/review/433241

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[go]$$Bc ELF OpenGo v2's opening (white 57 %)
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Example screenshot from ZBaduk (LeeLa is in red, but I only ever played KataGo's moves): https://i.ibb.co/Xtmyt2z/Screen-Shot-20 ... -12-AM.png


Anton Christenson, EGF 3d did a 65-minute YouTube review of this game! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ1piEevIp8

I’ve added all of his (commented) variations, plus more KataGo variations, to the OGS review as well.


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Post #79 Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:49 pm 
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Game 43 (7 komi, NZ rules) was the latest in my series of high-playout KataGo self-play games with a white mistake on move 2 to get winrates closer to 50 %. This one featured complicated fighting everywhere. White sacrifices 14 stones inside black's right side territory with no clear (to me) benefit or loss. It ended up as a tie. https://online-go.com/review/613241

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[go]$$Bc White 50 % (KataGo)
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Post #80 Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:55 pm 
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Game 44 (7 komi, NZ rules) was the first game in this series using a new KataGo net! As a reward, we get our first game with a black 3-4 opening. Early fighting breaks out in the lower-right corner and black builds a center moyo as a result. Another tie. https://online-go.com/review/619886

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[go]$$Bc Game 44 and at least seven other games continue at D4. At least four games will continue at a instead, and at least seven games at b.
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