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Post #201 Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 4:35 pm 
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I am very happy that this was solved satisfactorily for both parties.

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Post #202 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:19 pm 
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Thank heaven that is over. I would have been enormously upset if the SGC had closed right after I moved to the area. The existence of the SGC in Seattle was one of the top reasons I chose UW for grad school. I'm really relieved that a major reason I moved across almost the whole beeping country hasn't been yanked out from under me before I even got to visit.
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Post #203 Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:15 pm 
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Thank you to both parties for finding a way to make a deal.
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Post #204 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:30 am 
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Or, rather, that formal clarification of the original "deal" was successfully obtained and the wishes of Iwamoto-sensei were preserved. It is unfortunate, though, that a lawsuit (or the threat of one) and a lot of bad PR had to occur in order to secure this outcome.

It seems to me that a couple of lessons can be learned from all this:

A) If one does not wish to get stung, one ought not go around knocking over hornet's nests.

B) If one wishes to remain on good terms with someone, one ought not sting them, even if they are knocking over your nest.

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Post #205 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:48 pm 
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Or, rather, that formal clarification of the original "deal" was successfully obtained and the wishes of Iwamoto-sensei were preserved. It is unfortunate, though, that a lawsuit (or the threat of one) and a lot of bad PR had to occur in order to secure this outcome.

It seems to me that a couple of lessons can be learned from all this:

A) If one does not wish to get stung, one ought not go around knocking over hornet's nests.

B) If one wishes to remain on good terms with someone, one ought not sting them, even if they are knocking over your nest.

One: I think that you are taking the wrong conclusion from this.
Two: The situation is settled. Why are you trying to restart the fire?

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Post #206 Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:52 am 
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From what I have read so far it looks like the Nihon Kiin went over the AGA's head in promoting go in the west. Is this true? Not trying to stir stuff up, but I read differing stories on what happened in NYC and I want to know more about the history.

Where can I read more about the history of Nihon Ki-in / AGA relations? thank you.

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Post #207 Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:51 am 
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usagi wrote:
From what I have read so far it looks like the Nihon Kiin went over the AGA's head in promoting go in the west.
This is rather vague, to the point that I don't even know what you're suggesting (though perhaps AGA insiders might know).

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Where can I read more about the history of Nihon Ki-in / AGA relations? thank you.
I don't know much, but you could poke around in here: http://www.usgo.org/archive/agagobib.html, There are presumably some notices in the AGA historical book (http://www.usgo.org/archive/agahbk95.html). The old AGA journals would certainly be relevant, but they haven't been digitized. Ditto for the collection at Princeton, afaik.

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Post #208 Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:09 pm 
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usagi wrote:
From what I have read so far it looks like the Nihon Kiin went over the AGA's head in promoting go in the west. Is this true? Not trying to stir stuff up, but I read differing stories on what happened in NYC and I want to know more about the history.

Where can I read more about the history of Nihon Ki-in / AGA relations? thank you.


The AGA was not involved in the go centers at all, as far as I know. They were set up in various cities around the world at the behest of Iwamoto Kaoru, who provided the funds for them with the goal of helping to spread go in the west. They were owned and administered by the Nihon Ki-in, without any ownership or support from the AGA, though I think the go centers had/have club memberships.

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