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Post #21 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:37 pm 
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In what sense can you consider CEGO to be a partnership

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Post #22 Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2021 2:48 pm 
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Partnership may not be the correct word. My point was that Europe doesn't lack contacts with China or other asian countries, but the player base is far too small to expect emergence of world-class players.

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Post #23 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:53 am 
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John Fairbairn wrote:

It is absolutely vital that this officer would have a proper sense of priorities: facilities and securing patronage. ...

Obviously no-one is going to toss money into an open pit, so an achievable business plan, with specific goals and not the waffle I have seen so far, is needed.

But I'm sure there are plenty of similar and workable ideas.


Thank you very much for your message. When I begin to organize Go here in the region and I said "business plan" every Go player looked at me like someone from an other planet.

I see a big need for an ecosystem for Go in the western world (not only to establish a Pro system). And the structural foundation of the sport, however is expandable (a problem we share with sports like Darts - they have a good media coverage, but at least in Germany no big player and organizational base).

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Post #24 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:25 am 
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There's also the question "why". Why do you need continental role models?

Maybe it's just me but in the world of table tennis I've always rooted for the Chinese star Ma Long, not for the European Dimitri Ovtcharov or the extremely likeable Timo Boll. Nor for the Chinese Fan Zendong or Xu Xin, however spectacular he is. Ma Long was my role model and inspiration (for being a sucker).

In Go I've been rooting first for Otake Hideo, then Ma XiaoChun and finally Gu Li. Today's players don't inspire me. It would make no difference if Tanguy or Ilya were on top pro level. It's style and personality that matters.

Again, maybe nationality or skin color matters for others to choose a role model.

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Post #25 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:42 am 
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You are not trying to become a professional.

For someone who is trying to become a pro, it is nice to know that it's possible to reach a high level without needing to emigrate to a far east asian country.

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Post #26 Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:26 am 
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There's also the question "why". Why do you need continental role models?


They're easier to invite. If you can have local "stars", you can have them more often at events, which might help retaining new players.

That goes double (actually, much more) if your definition of "professional" includes people who don't much play professionally, but who teach.

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Post #27 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 8:34 pm 
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using AI as a study tool route rather than through a formal training programme.


It's not just AI you need to familiar with life and death and such

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Post #28 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:15 am 
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That goes double (actually, much more) if your definition of "professional" includes people who don't much play professionally, but who teach.


Sorry to quote myself, but I just found this today. I think it's the first time I find that many Western instructors in a single site. I'd still prefer to know more about their teaching credentials and not as much about their competition stats, but I do think it's a very important step in the right direction. (I also know a lot of people like titles...)

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Post #29 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:12 pm 
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Sorry to quote myself, but I just found this today.


Looks like a good idea. But why did they not mention it here? (Or reddit???)

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Post #30 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:49 pm 
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Here: https://lifein19x19.com/viewtopic.php?f ... 96#p254996


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Post #31 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 12:50 pm 
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John Fairbairn wrote:
Looks like a good idea. But why did they not mention it here? (Or reddit???)


I *suspect* it's a work in progress. I don't recall seeing that some weeks ago, and the CV don't seem to be linked, yet (they're on the site, though).

I really don't know, but... At the very least, as grumpy as I am sometimes with things, I felt this had to be shared. If I jumped the gun, I'm sorry for the hassle I might cause, and yet I think it merits sharing.

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Post #32 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:14 pm 
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A new request has been submitted for someone involved to post an update.

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