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Post #1 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:28 am 
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I notice one consistent pattern on KGS: from summer (around may) ranks of many kyu-players (6-1k) slowly going down. For example:
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I check 15-20 accounts. ≈80% have this regression.

It's my incorrect statistics or something happens with ranking system? (or players? O_o)


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Post #2 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:31 am 
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Most likely they added or removed an anchor.

http://www.gokgs.com/help/anchor.html

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Post #3 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:48 am 
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Yep, in may was one perceptible drop for all. You think it's kinda fadeout?

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Post #4 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:07 am 
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v00d00 wrote:
I notice one consistent pattern on KGS: from summer (around may) ranks of many kyu-players (6-1k) slowly going down. For example:
I check 15-20 accounts. ≈80% have this regression.

It's my incorrect statistics or something happens with ranking system (or players? O_o)



I'd noticed something similar, I don't think it's just the 1k-6k range (I looked into it a bit when twoeye dropped to 6d, also TheCaptain has a downward trend which is a bit abnormal). There was a big shift in March upward, and another shift back down in May, likely anchor changes. Another possibility (that I'll admit I haven't looked into the numbers on) is that recently I feel like more strong players have been making accounts and playing on KGS, that could be pushing the rest of the server down.

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Post #5 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:59 pm 
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I went in the opposite direction, but recently there was a sharp jump up followed by a sharp jump down of almost a stone. So maybe there was an anchor change very recently? I haven't been playing on KGS so my rank is very volatile though.

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I go through long periods of not playing though, so if there was a downward trend around 10-8k recently it should be visible no?

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Post #6 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:39 pm 
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Boidhre, your rank is really light, so I don't see any unusual things: I think sharp jump down happens because information about your previous win-streak is gone (45 days half-life of the games)

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Post #7 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:41 pm 
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v00d00 wrote:
Boidhre, your rank is really light, so I don't see any unusual things: I think sharp jump down happens because information about your previous win-streak is gone (45 days half-life of the games)


Ah good point, I'd forgotten about the half life.

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Post #8 Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 9:13 pm 
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v00d00 wrote:
Boidhre, your rank is really light, so I don't see any unusual things: I think sharp jump down happens because information about your previous win-streak is gone (45 days half-life of the games)

It doesn't work like that. 45 days is the half life of the games, so it would slowly lose it's value over time. it wouldn't cause a dramatic downward spike.

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:27 am 
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speedchase wrote:
It doesn't work like that. 45 days is the half life of the games, so it would slowly lose it's value over time. it wouldn't cause a dramatic downward spike.


Hmmm… You right!

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Post #10 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:44 am 
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speedchase wrote:
v00d00 wrote:
Boidhre, your rank is really light, so I don't see any unusual things: I think sharp jump down happens because information about your previous win-streak is gone (45 days half-life of the games)

It doesn't work like that. 45 days is the half life of the games, so it would slowly lose it's value over time. it wouldn't cause a dramatic downward spike.



Indeed in this Boidhre's case it's much more simple -- The sharp jump up was because after not playing many ranked games he played 5 in a row in mid-august and did well. The sharp jump down is because of those 5 games he played in mid-august, 2 were against a player who hasn't played anymore, one was against a person whose rank is fairly steady, and two were against bentw, a player who didn't play rated for the month of September, but then suddenly played a lot of rated games mid-October and saw his/her rank jump around --

Bentw's graph
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The effects on Boidhre's graph are like a smaller version of what bentw went through, because much of Boidhre's rating is tied to bentw right now.


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Post #11 Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:23 pm 
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Thanks Mef for the explanation.

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Post #12 Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:59 pm 
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Sometimes a widespread change in rank graphs is not because wms or the super admin changed the anchors,but because one or two anchors change. An anchor might stop playing or become weaker because of illness or something.

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Post #13 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:36 pm 
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UnclMartin wrote:
Sometimes a widespread change in rank graphs is not because wms or the super admin changed the anchors,but because one or two anchors change. An anchor might stop playing or become weaker because of illness or something.


Then why not use bots as anchors? WMS could buy a Zen or Crazystone or whatever version (or demand a free version if one wants to play it at KGS) and run them automatically on KGS.

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Post #14 Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:00 pm 
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because it's possible to play better or worse against bots, which could cause problems.

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Post #15 Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:08 pm 
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speedchase wrote:
because it's possible to play better or worse against bots, which could cause problems.


Or you have issues like this - http://senseis.xmp.net/?GnugoNosekis

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