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Post #621 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:10 pm 
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JTS is fine by me too.

I like how I was reminded about this game's existence when I saw shapenaji on a server for a different game that both of us probably had no idea the other played.

I'll bet we both first pick Fangren Marauders too.

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Post #622 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:31 pm 
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Violence wrote:
JTS is fine by me too.

I like how I was reminded about this game's existence when I saw shapenaji on a server for a different game that both of us probably had no idea the other played.

I'll bet we both first pick Fangren Marauders too.


Psh... Ichor wellsprings ftw

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Post #623 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 4:44 pm 
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shapenaji wrote:
Violence wrote:
JTS is fine by me too.

I like how I was reminded about this game's existence when I saw shapenaji on a server for a different game that both of us probably had no idea the other played.

I'll bet we both first pick Fangren Marauders too.


Psh... Ichor wellsprings ftw


You crazy, crazy fool...

All that fancy tech, and you'll just lose to an endless stream of dudes with 5 power.

Gx stompy dinos ftw. All day. Forever.

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Post #624 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 5:49 pm 
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Violence wrote:
shapenaji wrote:
Violence wrote:
JTS is fine by me too.

I like how I was reminded about this game's existence when I saw shapenaji on a server for a different game that both of us probably had no idea the other played.

I'll bet we both first pick Fangren Marauders too.


Psh... Ichor wellsprings ftw


You crazy, crazy fool...

All that fancy tech, and you'll just lose to an endless stream of dudes with 5 power.

Gx stompy dinos ftw. All day. Forever.


Who needs dino's when you've got sledges?

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Post #625 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:44 pm 
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You love me, you really love me. :clap:

Assuming Chew ratifies the acclamation,

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 134 W65 B60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . O X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . B X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


First, I think that our ignoring their ko threats on the top will get more and more costly, while their ignoring our ko threats on the bottom will get less and less costly. In which case we should ignore now. Second, if there is a response to this threat that minimizes the risk to us on top and/or eliminates future ko threats, I have no idea what it is. Better to play this and let Daniel/Violence change it to the right response, than to respond to the threat and require one of two possible changes (a different response, or ignoring the ko).

I think the follow-up is m18, m15, o16, l18. Or maybe instead of l18: j19, g19, k18, or else a ko for e18. In any event, with luck if we die, we die in ko, in which case we'll get the same ko threat anyway.

Para-dropping into this game late, I should probably count, but it's so... unsettled.

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Post #626 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:22 pm 
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Do we have an accurate prisoner count now?

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Post #627 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:50 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Do we have an accurate prisoner count now?

No - I wasn't sure whether captured stones go under B or W.

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Post #628 Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 9:48 pm 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Do we have an accurate prisoner count now?


Like I said, if we are sure about the prisoners passed back and forth, we can ignore the actual captures and just count chinese.

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Post #629 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:54 am 
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shapenaji & Violence wrote:

Violence: I'll bet we both first pick Fangren Marauders too.

shapenaji: Psh... Ichor wellsprings ftw

Violence: You crazy, crazy fool...

All that fancy tech, and you'll just lose to an endless stream of dudes with 5 power.

Gx stompy dinos ftw. All day. Forever.

shapenaji: Who needs dino's when you've got sledges?


Mise! :tmbup:

LOL, I always separate GO and MTG communities in my mind ... I don't know why ... there's a number of people who play both.

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Post #630 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:44 am 
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Accepted.

I would like to respond to the threat, but the fact of the matter is that we have no 50 point ko threats. I'm not sure what jts thinks is a ko threat for us? I think there's enough space on top for both of us to live.

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Post #631 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 5:54 am 
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Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Do we have an accurate prisoner count now?

If you guys are gonna make me post this a third time ... :batman:

I mean I even posted the correct code! How much more can a man do?

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Post #632 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:34 am 
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Oh, JTS is fine. Sad that Gresil's idled, but life is important. Enjoy the mess you've signed up for. =)

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Post #633 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:40 am 
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Mnemonic wrote:
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
Do we have an accurate prisoner count now?

If you guys are gonna make me post this a third time ... :batman:

I mean I even posted the correct code! How much more can a man do?

Ah, ok. So B has 11 captures and 60 prisoners (if my move is accepted), and W has 1 capture and 64 prisoners. Shall we accept shapenaji's suggestion, and only track prisoners from here on out?

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Post #634 Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 10:37 am 
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I don't really care either way, worst case scenario, we count Chinese and backtrack all of the changes the upper level players have made.

Also, I've never seen a sledge go later than second pick. I've never had the luxury of multiple sledges. You sack.

But multiple Fangrens? That's like every other draft for me.

I should really make an off topic thread for this.

Also, approved.

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Post #635 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:57 am 
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Post #636 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:03 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 136 W65 B60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . W . O X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X X . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O O O |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . B X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Time to live, I suppose. So, it looks like we can threaten this group a little, and then we need to make some points on bottom with our thickness. Or perhaps we can start a fight in the middle, or something. Regardless, living is first.


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Post #637 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:37 pm 
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Post #638 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:28 pm 
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Post #639 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:24 pm 
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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 137 W65 B60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X B O O . X O O O |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is by far the best move. If W doesn't play O16, we can connect and then (I think) he has to live in gote. If W responds, we get L18.

I haven't read out exactly how we're going to live. Our potential eyespace is small, and W has four different moves to reduce it. I'm pretty sure, though, that we can protect our eyespace as it stands with moves that threaten to kill W.

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[go]$$Wcm134 Move 137 W65 B60
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . a . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X a a . O . O X . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X a a a X O . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X B O O . X O O O |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Post #640 Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:41 pm 
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Not for players until upper side is settled:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ------------------------------+
$$ . . . O . . . . . 4 8 9 . . . |
$$ O . O X . . 6 O 5 O X 7 0 . . |
$$ . O X X . . . X O 3 O X X . . |
$$ O X O X . X X . X 1 O O X X . |
$$ . X O O X O X X O O 2 X O O O |
$$ . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X |[/go]


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[go]$$Wc
$$ ------------------------------+
$$ . . 5 O 4 . 3 . 1 . 2 O . . . |
$$ O . O X 6 . X O O O . O X . . |
$$ . O X X . . . X O O O X X . . |
$$ O X O X . X X . X O O O X X . |
$$ . X O O X O X X O O X X O O O |
$$ . . . O . O X O O X X X X X X |
$$ . . X . O . X O X . . . . . X |
$$ . . . . O X X O X X X X . X X |
$$ . . . . O . X X O O X X . . . |
$$ X . X . . O O O O X O X X . X |[/go]


W seems far behind

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