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Big Brother Malkovich #2
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Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Aphelion wrote:
Mmm..I don't think 5 moves has passed since the last correction. The count should be 7 corrections for Black and 3 for White if this is the move. Are you still going forward with this Daniel?


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viewtopic.php?p=51068#p51068
viewtopic.php?p=51617#p51617
viewtopic.php?p=51973#p51973
viewtopic.php?p=53171#p53171

All since the last time I got a new correction... (viewtopic.php?p=50432#p50432)
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
daniel_the_smith wrote:
Aphelion wrote:
Mmm..I don't think 5 moves has passed since the last correction. The count should be 7 corrections for Black and 3 for White if this is the move. Are you still going forward with this Daniel?


http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 974#p50974
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 068#p51068
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 617#p51617
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 973#p51973
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 171#p53171

All since the last time I got a new correction... (http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 432#p50432)


Uhhh, Daniel, I think you counted one move twice. Your third listed post (#220) and your forth listed post (#221) both appear to be in reference to the same move.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 10:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Sorry, wrong link. This is the 5th: viewtopic.php?p=53460#p53460

or in post numbers:

212
214
221
226
230
Author:  Aphelion [ Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
White got a new correction at 214 (from 3 to 4), so only 3 uncorrected White moves has passed since then. You can see this being kept track in the move captions.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 9:48 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
OK, I see what happened. In post 201, I was three moves late in claiming a correction. So we have as many corrections as I thought we did, we just have for a few moves. I didn't realize people were actually keeping the numbers on the board up to date.

So yeah, still correcting that one.
Author:  Aphelion [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:16 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
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[go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 1 , W=3 - 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X B . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
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$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The focus is still to get a few stones here before I cut at E11
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
I approve.

Aphelion wrote:
...The focus is still to get a few stones here before I cut at E11


That cut at E11 is a whole lot stronger if we play N8 first. It also could benefit from having F6 around to run toward. I suspect that I will be dissaproving it. :-?
Author:  Phelan [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
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[go]$$Bcm55 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 2 , W=3 - 0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . W . . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X , O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Seems to be the only move here. I wonder if black will double-hane.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Approved.
yes, only move.
Author:  Phelan [ Thu Mar 17, 2011 3:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Bump. Aphelion, it's your turn.
Author:  Aphelion [ Thu Mar 17, 2011 4:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Oops, sorry.

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[go]$$Bcm57 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 2 , W=3 - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O . . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X B O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Double hane gives some really unpleasant aji, so I decided to force this. Hopefully its not ajikeshi. I'm thinking about L18 after this (it threatens a ko to kill I believe
Author:  Phelan [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 1:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
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[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 3 , W=3 - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O W . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

The question is whether I can tenuki at this point or not. I think not:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm58 Shut in
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . 5 6 . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O 3 2 O 4 . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X B O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

So I need to play something locally.

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[go]$$Wcm58 No problem here
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . 5 4 . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O 2 3 O 1 . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This seems to work out okay with the cut, and save the lost stone in the middle of black's influence.
Author:  Aphelion [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 4:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Ugh, I was dreaming. I've been really bad at counting even basic liberties ever since I took this hiatus from go, somehow I thought that my last move threatened a ko to kill D17. Luckily, Phelan responded. My move does get rid of some aji, and I think I needed to play there locally anyways, but the situation is not so good now if Daniel tenukis - and I think he will change this move. I hope he doesn't play something like E3. I really needed to get sente out of this....
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 9:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Phelan wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 3 , W=3 - 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O W . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...


I approve.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Fri Mar 18, 2011 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
I'll approve as well.
Strictly speaking I don't think it's necessary but I don't mind too much. The extra thickness lets me think about abusing the black group at some point in the future.
Author:  Aphelion [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm58 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 3 , W=3 - 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . B . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I normally don't like this approach, but I didn't like the tight pincer from white if I play the normal low move. I think this high approach will control White's moyo a little better, and gives me a better chance of linking to F10. If that happens it would make the E11 cut very threatening for white. Originally, I was about to cut immediately, but I realized I didn't have a clear plan for that fight and I wasn't sure if it would benefit me. So I'm hoping to build a solid position here first before deciding what to do with it.
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
I approve.
That is a huge move. It is time to invade. Maybe past time. If I were Daniel, I would have seriously considered changing white's previous move like this:

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[go]$$Wcm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O C . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . W . . . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Author:  Joaz Banbeck [ Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Um...Phelan...you there??
Author:  Phelan [ Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:14 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Sorry for the delay.

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[go]$$Wcm60 Prisoners: 0, 0 Corrections: B=7 - 4 , W=3 - 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X O . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . X . |
$$ | . X O O . . O O . . X O X . . O O X . |
$$ | . . X X O O X . . O X X O O O , X . . |
$$ | . X . . X X . . . . . X X X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . O . . . . O X . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . O . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . X . W . , . O O X . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea what to play here. I wanted to split and attack the two stones, but I see no good way to do it.
Author:  daniel_the_smith [ Thu Mar 24, 2011 11:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Big Brother Malkovich #2
Approved.
Let's go down in flames if we go down at all.
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