It is currently Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:35 pm

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 
Author Message
Offline
 Post subject: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore faith!
Post #1 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:16 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 155
Liked others: 153
Was liked: 40
Rank: DDK
Universal go server handle: happysocks
Yes, a tad overstated, but some pretty strange things did happen in a recent game. This was scored as a 32.5 point win for white. To my reading all white in the top right corner and side are dead (even with the corner being scored as seki black wins by around 17.5 I think). Am I wrong about about this? If right, ok I lost a won game no biggie.




The potential problem and real worry for me is how it happened that my live stones got marked dead (and therefore his dead stones live) and was settled on as a final result with out my agreeing to the result or pressing "done". Tried several times to unclick them from being dead like you would at kgs but to no avail. The new look of igs is remarkable, really beautiful! Have had no trouble getting games (unlike kgs where it can be a real chore for a ddk to get a game sometimes). Enjoy the new igs so much would be happy to play a zillion games there (or at least lose 100 games quickly). But this situation has left kind of a bad aftertaste.

Image


[EDIT] It looks like the game record shows who marked what dead (a nice feature!) and that apperently I marked my group T15 dead - oh the humanity! A thousand apologies to my opponent!

Image

_________________
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"


Last edited by happysocks on Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:36 am, edited 6 times in total.

This post by happysocks was liked by: Bonobo
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject:
Post #2 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:59 am 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8665
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 323
Was liked: 2007
GD Posts: 312
happysocks, your didn't attach an SGF file and were you B or W ?

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #3 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:54 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 155
Liked others: 153
Was liked: 40
Rank: DDK
Universal go server handle: happysocks
Oops, copy pasted the game info direct from igs in between L19's little sgf thingy - looks like it didn't work. Saved the game, can I upload an sgf file from my computer? (I was black). Was going to post the final position but that looks tricky too. Guess I should learn how to do these things before asking for help with games. XD

_________________
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #4 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:41 am 
Lives with ko
User avatar

Posts: 129
Location: UK, Nr. London
Liked others: 159
Was liked: 66
Rank: 3k EGF 3k KGS
Have a look at an old thread:
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=976&p=29288

By sticking to your opinion, the game automatically gets sent to ajudication by the IGS admins. Then wait 3 days and login to http://my.pandanet.co.jp/index-e.htm and the result should be up, with a little red signing stamp showing the result was decided by the admin.

It is a different system from the KGS one, but I have not had a problem with it. The adjudicators have always got the right result.

Attachment:
File comment: IGS archive showing little red stamp.
IGS archive.png
IGS archive.png [ 95.92 KiB | Viewed 4823 times ]


This post by PeterHB was liked by: happysocks
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #5 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:36 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 155
Liked others: 153
Was liked: 40
Rank: DDK
Universal go server handle: happysocks
Thank you Peter, is good to know such things exist! Of course the game in question was somehow scored already so there is probably nothing to be done for it. Anyway, really wish could show the game to you guys so to be sure my assessment of the final position is correct and am not misreading something.

:white: :black:

_________________
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #6 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:45 am 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2636
Liked others: 302
Was liked: 629
Rank: kgs 6k
You pasted the name of the IGS file. You need to either paste the contents of the sgf (lots of brackets and numbers) or the link to the sgf (starting http) for us to see it.


This post by jts was liked by: happysocks
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #7 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:59 am 
Lives with ko

Posts: 155
Liked others: 153
Was liked: 40
Rank: DDK
Universal go server handle: happysocks
Yay, figured out how to do it. The eidogo viewer in the op has bee fixed to include the sgf. :D

_________________
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #8 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:06 am 
Lives in sente

Posts: 716
Liked others: 666
Was liked: 133
Rank: Washed up never was
Universal go server handle: Splatted
You are right. They are dead. :D


This post by Splatted was liked by: happysocks
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject:
Post #9 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:30 pm 
Honinbo
User avatar

Posts: 8665
Location: Santa Barbara, CA
Liked others: 323
Was liked: 2007
GD Posts: 312
For :b22:, :b50:, :b54:, :b74:, :b76:, :black: 106, :black: 160, see Toothpaste shape


This post by EdLee was liked by: happysocks
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #10 Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:54 pm 
Oza
User avatar

Posts: 2493
Liked others: 1279
Was liked: 1110
happysocks wrote:
The potential problem and real worry for me is how it happened that my live stones got marked dead (and therefore his dead stones live) and was settled on as a final result with out my agreeing to the result or pressing "done". Tried several times to unclick them from being dead like you would at kgs but to no avail.
This happened to me once too. I found it quite infuriating.

Quote:
[EDIT] It looks like the game record shows who marked what dead (a nice feature!) and that apperently I marked my group T15 dead - oh the humanity! A thousand apologies to my opponent!
Even if it was your fault that the group was marked incorrectly, it is still quite irritating to not be able to correct the marking and that a result is declared without your agreement.

_________________
Go? It's like sharing two bowls of cookies, but one person gets all of them.

Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #11 Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:12 pm 
Lives in gote

Posts: 553
Liked others: 61
Was liked: 250
Rank: AGA 5 dan
During the scoring phase (after both sides have passed to end the playing phase), I believe you can simply type "undo" to erase all dead stone markers and return to the start of the scoring phase. This is useful if someone mistakenly marks a group dead, but of course not so useful if there is a real disagreement.


This post by mitsun was liked by: happysocks
Top
 Profile  
 
Offline
 Post subject: Re: Catastrophe at my favorite server please help restore fa
Post #12 Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:17 pm 
Lives with ko

Posts: 155
Liked others: 153
Was liked: 40
Rank: DDK
Universal go server handle: happysocks
Daal, sorry to hear you had that particular experience with the server also, but it sounds like mitsun has our solution! Course you can mark my words, that extra care will be executed when marking stones from this point forward.

EdLee, thank you for the review! Went through it quickly this morning and will examine more in depth as soon as possible. At first glance things made sense and seemed pretty straight forward but there may be questions. :)

Thanks to all who responded, faiths been restored. This server is wonderful!

Image

Is that happy enough not sure here's some happy music just to be safe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGbUro9x5MU

(not sure who the people are but they seem plenty happy, the animals too)

_________________
"Tsumegos are for reading power and Tesujis for knowing which moves to read"


This post by happysocks was liked by: Bonobo
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 12 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group