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Post #1 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:12 am 
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Hey folks, maybe someone here can find the solution to this riddle.

I just broke into solid 7d on ORO, and being particularly proud of one of the games I played against the 7d's there (Who are very different from the 6d's... surprisingly so), I wanted to post it here for analysis. Unfortunately, when I went into my profile through oro, and found the games saved on my computer, I attempted to use THEIR copy-paste feature... copying it from that directory to my desktop, unfortunately, it never showed up on my desktop, and it's not actually a copy-paste apparently, it's a cut-paste. So the game isn't in the original place anymore either.

Furthermore, I have a number of other games in there, and when I actually navigate to that folder (Windows 7), there don't seem to be any games there... Even though WBaduk tells me that they're there....

What's going on?

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Post #2 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:25 am 
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Look in C:\Program Files (x86)\WBaduk\Gibo
Notice the (x86) part.

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Post #3 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:32 am 
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Thanks for the reply,

Looked around, I'm not running 64 bit, so I don't know why there would be a separate x86 program files... and I don't see one. Even hopped onto my command prompt and used that to search instead... no dice.

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Post #4 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:21 am 
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In my case they are in "C:\Program Files\WBaduk\Gibo"

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Post #5 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:47 am 
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yeah... but they're NOT there...

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Post #6 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:56 am 
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Settings -> Diagrams/Gibo.

Have you checked the Auto Save checkboxes?

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Post #7 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:02 am 
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Yep, it was checked.

Instead of the copy-paste, I just tried clicking "view Gibo" on one of my old games (which seems to work fine), followed by clicking the "others" button and choosing save... I get a read access error.

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Post #8 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:51 pm 
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I have the same problem. The games were visible for me on Vista but on 7 they are not. There is an external SGF editor that can be downloaded from the Wbaduk site which makes the games "visible" when you instruct it to open one. However if you try to copy a record it indicates that no such file exists... I would also be curious to know if there is a solution.

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Post #9 Posted: Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:06 pm 
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I'm using Win7 and the ngfs saves nicely on the filesystem.

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Post #10 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 4:21 am 
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shapenaji wrote:
Yep, it was checked.

Instead of the copy-paste, I just tried clicking "view Gibo" on one of my old games (which seems to work fine), followed by clicking the "others" button and choosing save... I get a read access error.


Here, they are saved already on my computer (c:\programs\orobaduk\gibo) - so no need to open and save them. Simply viewing gibo online works fine. To convert them to sgf I use MultiGo, to move them around on my harddisk the usual means. There shouldn't be complications. A tool for mass-converting ngf to sgf would be nice though.


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Post #11 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:27 am 
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tapir wrote:
shapenaji wrote:
Yep, it was checked.

Instead of the copy-paste, I just tried clicking "view Gibo" on one of my old games (which seems to work fine), followed by clicking the "others" button and choosing save... I get a read access error.


Here, they are saved already on my computer (c:\programs\orobaduk\gibo) - so no need to open and save them. Simply viewing gibo online works fine. To convert them to sgf I use MultiGo, to move them around on my harddisk the usual means. There shouldn't be complications. A tool for mass-converting ngf to sgf would be nice though.


That works! Thanks, wow, Multigo sees them when even my os won't...

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Post #12 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 10:51 am 
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shapenaji wrote:
That works! Thanks, wow, Multigo sees them when even my os won't...

check for hidden files settings, and hidden file extensions

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Post #13 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:40 pm 
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Thanks that's interesting. I've been using Stonebase, which is supposed to read NGFs, but since I've been using 7 it hasn't been able to see them.

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Post #14 Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 11:51 pm 
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What kind of witchcraft is that? It's not supposed to be like that.

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Post #15 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:36 am 
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Limited users do not have write access to the program files directory. In particular this is the case for non elevated apps on vista/win7.
This mechanism might be responsible for the strange behavior you observe.

To make old apps which still write stuff in their own app directory still work some compatibility shim redirects the new files to inside the user directory.
Since this shim is not active for new apps(including explorer) the files are not visible in program files, but only in the directory they got redirected to.

I think the dir where they get redirected to is:
C:\Users\<YourName>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore

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Post #16 Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 12:59 pm 
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Oh, that's good to know. I have disabled UAC, that's probably why I'm not affected.

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Post #17 Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 4:56 pm 
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Now this is odd- my OS can see NGFs from Tygem but not Wbaduk!

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Post #18 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:56 pm 
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nagano wrote:
Now this is odd- my OS can see NGFs from Tygem but not Wbaduk!

are you sure they really have the same file extension? and that they are not flagged as "hidden" files?

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Post #19 Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:49 pm 
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nagano wrote:
Now this is odd- my OS can see NGFs from Tygem but not Wbaduk!


There is nothing special about NGF files (or ngf for that matter).

But there is something special about where they are stored if you are using Vista or Win 7. Microsoft has decided that applications that run as a normal user should not have write access to C:\Program Files\... A wise decision. But older software like Wbaduk and many more are designed to write to that location. In order to not break those applications Microsoft has exercised some voodoo and redirected those applications to the user's home directory. In Wbaduk's case, the application thinks it reads and writes to C:\Program Files\... but in reality the files end up in C:\Users\<YourName>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files\WBaduk\Gibo.

I don't know about the Tygem client but perhaps those files can be found somewhere under C:\Users\<YourName>\AppData\Local\VirtualStore as well. Where do the client say it saves them?

In order to write to C:\Program Files\... an application needs to have administrative privileges. This is usually prompted for when you start the application. But if it doesn't, it's run as a regular user and the above redirection to the user's home directory kicks in.

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Post #20 Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:04 pm 
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Where are my Wbaduk games going? This time, literally! They have all suddenly disappeared! I am sure that I didn't do anything with them, and my computer is operating fine otherwise. Has anyone else experienced this issue? :shock:

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