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Post #1 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:01 pm 
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Looks like we've got a match setup!

We'll be doing a 3-on-3 team match, where players on the same team discuss their move and come to a consensus before playing. The time limit is one week per move. If the team fails to play a move within a week, they lose the game.

This will be a good opportunity for players of similar strength to collaborate and learn from one another.

Let's introduce the teams!

Team Capital
Kirby (KGS 1d)
TegaiS (KGS 1d)
Joaz Banbeck (AGA 1d)

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Team Lowercase
emeraldemon (1k)
skydyr (?)
andreyl (KGS 2d)

Without further ado, let's get started. For the purposes of this competition, since we haven't actually started the game, I'll take the liberty of declaring a number of stones for nigiri on behalf of our team, without consulting. Once we actually start on the game, let's decide all moves by first conferring with one another.

Team Lowercase, please select "Odd" or "Even" before looking at the hide tag below. If your guess is correct based on the number indicated in the hide tags, you'll be black. Otherwise, you'll be white.

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Have fun everyone!

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Post #2 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:04 pm 
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I'll guess even for our team.

Looks like we're white. AGA rules and standard 7.5 komi okay all around?

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Post #3 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:11 pm 
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Post #4 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:16 pm 
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Those rules sound fine to me. Good luck, and have fun!

@CapitalTeam:
Looks like we're black. I propose starting on the 4-4, though, I'm open to alternatives.

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Any other votes?

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Post #5 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:20 pm 
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I agree with 4-4.

Open or closed books?

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Post #6 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:36 pm 
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skydyr wrote:
I'll guess even for our team.

Looks like we're white. AGA rules and standard 7.5 komi okay all around?


Works for me. Also I don't have a problem with open book, but it's up to the other players.

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Post #7 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 9:38 pm 
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Let's do closed book, so that decisions are from the team more than from books.

Also, I like the 1 week time limit, but it could take quite awhile if every move takes an entire week.

I wonder if anyone else has any thoughts on that.

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Post #8 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:26 pm 
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Closed books sounds good.
As for time limit,in my opinion a week is too much.
How about four days and 2/3 of the team enough to make the move?(in case the third guy is away for a couple of days)

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Post #9 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:33 pm 
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Kirby wrote:
Let's do closed book, so that decisions are from the team more than from books...


I agree with this.

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Post #10 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2015 11:35 pm 
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Exactly where and how do we collaborate? In the thread in hide tags? Privately by PM?
( FWIW, I prefer the former )

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Post #11 Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2015 7:47 am 
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You are on our team, Joaz. Take a look at the hide tags we posted. We are already discussing the first move.

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Post #12 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:33 am 
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Post #13 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:45 am 
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I propose this as a fairly standard move, but I'd be open to playing something adventurous if you all like.
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Closed book is fine by me. I'm fine with week-long moves, provided they aren't habitual. Most I expect should take a couple days at most, and we could probably have triggers internal to the team agreed upon as well.

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Post #14 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 7:50 am 
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I would prefer to play on the lower left to avoid diagonal fuseki,unless you guys into it

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Post #15 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:15 am 
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andreyl wrote:
@Teamwhite
I would prefer to play on the lower left to avoid diagonal fuseki,unless you guys into it

@teamwhite
I don't mind diagonal openings. I don't expect it, though, as consensus seems to be that it makes komi bigger. My thinking is that white can react more directly to black's next corner move, but it's a minor quibble.

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Post #16 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 8:37 am 
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@teamwhite

Yeah, I usually choose the parallel corner so if B plays :b3: you can choose :w4: for example.
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So I guess that would be my vote.

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Post #17 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:14 am 
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Post #18 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:27 am 
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Have a nice game.
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I propose Q4.

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Post #19 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 9:36 am 
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@Black team:

It's the opening, so we have many choices. So I'm not opposed to Q4. Though, in my own games these days, I feel like Q4 is boring. I don't know why.

My personal preference is to play this 3-4 move.

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I can't say I feel that strongly about my preference this early in the game, though :-)

Thoughts?

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Post #20 Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 10:27 am 
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I find the dual hoshis to be boring also. If it were up to me, I'd play in the lower left corner.
But if I had to choose among the proposed plays in the lower right corner, I'd prefer Q3.

( All of this is a matter of taste for me, I can't say that any move is better than any other.)

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